The best players in the world 2018

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  1. comme

    comme Moderator
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    Feb 21, 2003
    For what it's worth, this is my list. Based on the last 2 and a half years with greater value placed on more recent performances. In doing it you realise what a hard exercise it is.

    100. Thomas Meunier
    99. Tanguy Ndombele
    98. Kieran Trippier
    97. Koke
    96. Mesut Ozil
    95. Keylor Navas
    94. Stefan De Vrij
    93. Marco Reus
    92. Joao Cancelo
    91. Hakim Ziyech
    90. Romelu Lukaku
    89. Milan Skriniar
    88. Geoffrey Kondogbia
    87. Hirving Lozano
    86. Axel Witsel
    85. Arthur
    84. Aymeric Laporte
    83. Heung-Min Son
    82. Riyad Mahrez
    81. Filipe Luis
    80. Memphis Depay
    79. Thiago Silva
    78. Douglas Costa
    77. David Alaba
    76. Ivan Perisic
    75. Iago Aspas
    74. Cesar Azpilicueta
    73. Hugo Lloris
    72. Ben Mendy
    71. Roberto Firmino
    70. Nabil Fekir
    69. Sergej Milinkovic-Savic
    68. Florian Thauvin
    67. Alex Sandro
    66. Saul Niguez
    65. Kyle Walker
    64. Thiago Alcantara
    63. Mario Mandzukic
    62. Gerard Pique
    61. Jan Vertonghen
    60. Bernardo Silva
    59. Ciro Immobile
    58. Dele Alli
    57. Dries Mertens
    56. Fernandinho
    55. James Rodriguez
    54. Gareth Bale
    53. Thibaut Courtois
    52. Ivan Rakitic
    51. Philippe Coutinho
    50. Ederson
    49. Jorginho
    48. Virgil Van Dijk
    47. Marco Verratti
    46. Joshua Kimmich
    45. Dani Carvajal
    44. Raphael Varane
    43. Giorgio Chiellini
    42. Gianluigi Buffon
    41. Leroy Sane
    40. Jordi Alba
    39. Alisson
    38. Marc-Andre Ter Stegen
    37. Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
    36. Samuel Umtiti
    35. Paul Pogba
    34. Lorenzo Insigne
    33. Sadio Mane
    32. Kalidou Koulibaly
    31. Mats Hummels
    30. Casemiro
    29. Toni Kroos
    28. Miralem Pjanic
    27. Jan Oblak
    26. Raheem Sterling
    25. Mauro Icardi
    24. Christian Eriksen
    23. Sergio Busquets
    22. Sergio Aguero
    21. Sergio Ramos
    20. Luis Suarez
    19. David De Gea
    18. Paulo Dybala
    17. Edinson Cavani
    16. Isco
    15. Marcelo
    14. Diego Godin
    13. Antoine Griezmann
    12. Robert Lewandowski
    11. David Silva
    10. Mo Salah
    9. Kylian Mbappe
    8. N'Golo Kante
    7. Eden Hazard
    6. Kevin De Bruyne
    5. Neymar
    4. Harry Kane
    3. Luka Modric
    2. Cristiano Ronaldo
    1. Lionel Messi
     
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  2. comme

    comme Moderator
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    Feb 21, 2003
    I put them all together and allocated points for each:

    Rafael Marquez 1
    Sancho 1
    Tanguy Ndombele 2
    Exequiel Palacios 2
    Thorgan Hazard 2
    Artem Dzyuba 4
    Romagnoli 5
    Giroud 5
    Santiago Arias 6
    Stefan De Vrij 7
    Kostas Manolas 7
    Rabiot 7
    Gonzalo Martinez 7
    Pablo Sarabia 8
    Vidal 9
    Werner 9
    Hakim Ziyech 10
    Ochoa 11
    Lingard 11
    Zaha 12
    Donnarumma 12
    Geoffrey Kondogbia 13
    Paco Alcacer 13
    Diego Costa 13
    Mina 14
    Goretzka 14
    Willian 14
    Quintero 15
    Arthur 16
    Schmeichel 16
    Aymeric Laporte 17
    Kepa 18
    Piatek 19
    Filipe Luis 20
    Robben 20
    Benatia 20
    Pulisic 20
    Hector Herrera 21
    Golovin 23
    Martial 24
    Cheryshev 26
    Frenkie de Jong 29
    Subasic 30
    Kolarov 32
    Marquinhos 35
    Skriniar 36
    Douglas Costa 39
    Alex Sandro 40
    Sule 40
    Joao Cancelo 44
    Witsel 47
    Keita 48
    Ben Mendy 49
    Lovren 50
    Son 51
    Payet 51
    Barella 51
    De Ligt 53
    Federico Chiesa 54
    Leon Bailey 55
    Josef Martinez 56
    Robertson 59
    Brozovic 59
    Neuer 65
    Rashford 67
    Aspas 69
    Torreira 71
    Iniesta 72
    Jose Gimenez 73
    Ousmane Dembele 75
    Lacazette 75
    Milner 75
    Ozil 77
    Rebic 80
    Maguire 85
    Gabriel Jesus 89
    Verratti 92
    Trippier 98
    Bonucci 99
    Asensio 100
    Marcos Alonso 101
    Di Maria 104
    Koke 105
    Thiago Alcantara 107
    Stones 108
    Pavard 109
    Alaba 116
    Thiago Silva 117
    Pickford 121
    Milinkovic-Savic 122
    Mahrez 125
    Higuain 129
    Fekir 131
    Lucas Hernandez 132
    Depay 134
    Alderweireld 136
    Matuidi 139
    Thauvin 141
    Hummels 142
    Keylor Navas 145
    Meunier 149
    Vertonghen 158
    Buffon 160
    Carvajal 169
    Azpilicueta 176
    Lozano 185
    Dele Alli 189
    Bernardo Silva 203
    Pique 205
    Benzema 207
    Reus 208
    Immobile 213
    Fernandinho 234
    Dzeko 234
    Lloris 243
    Saul Niguez 245
    Walker 252
    Mertens 283
    Ederson 289
    Casemiro 290
    Chiellini 292
    Insigne 304
    Ter Stegen 305
    Alba 316
    Perisic 323
    Jorginho 331
    Lukaku 351
    Aubameyang 363
    Pjanic 365
    Mandzukic 365
    Sane 374
    James Rodriguez 374
    Kimmich 421
    Busquets 422
    Koulibaly 434
    Umtiti 450
    Courtois 473
    Van Dijk 479
    Icardi 492
    Isco 499
    De Gea 500
    Bale 507
    Rakitic 510
    Dybala 513
    Kroos 516
    Coutinho 516
    Mane 530
    Firmino 536
    Eriksen 539
    Alisson 540
    Godin 547
    Varane 571
    Sterling 590
    Lewandowski 599
    Suarez 608
    Ramos 616
    Pogba 620
    Oblak 623
    Cavani 625
    David Silva 628
    Kante 633
    Marcelo 645
    Griezmann 654
    Aguero 658
    Neymar 719
    Kane 735
    De Bruyne 745
    Eden Hazard 748
    Salah 760
    Mbappe 765
    Messi 788
    Cristiano Ronaldo 790
    Modric 791
     
  3. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Other one, David Silva:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/sports/manchester-city-liverpool-david-silva.html

    Is there actually something to back up his supposed importance?

    Or is it, as the article hints it, that Iniesta is now semi-retired?

    That KDB is missed is now obvious, esp. in the CL and the bigger domestic games.


    As I said before I'm sure this is an important aspect of the entertainment industry as a whole, at many levels and dimensions. From the 80 million Koreans to the Francophonie. It influences transfer fees and wages as well.

    Meanwhile, you rate Belgian and Dutch players lower than where they generally are on those very same 'mainstream' lists (I'll not rant again about your general historiography). Your own created overview proves so, pretty much all of these players. This is a market of only 20-25 million.

    So is Marca's list worse? I don't know. PDG also showed me some of his ideas (he asked for mine) and with him the pendulum swung to the other end.


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    One specific example of an agenda driven media narrative is the nonsense that the Brazilian (!!) Allison Becker changed Liverpool's defense. Not true, this almost immediately happened halfway past season (0.63 goals per match against in the league after 4 February). That then a top class goalkeeper adds a few more goals improvement above a below-par goalkeeper is unsurprising.

    This reminds me of how VdS perennially got the short end of the stick because there was Ferdinand (and Vidic) playing ahead of him, but another part of that truth is he was nevertheless way more frequently tested as Buffon during his undefeated runs.

    Luckily, there are also corners of the 'serious' media now recognizing/storying NED has a tradition of players/figures helping to kickstart eras and 'dynasties'. I can see there is some minor truth in the theory that a 'neutral', half-decent, opinionated and slight anti-authoritarian image can strike the right chord among journalists, in particular if they are 'journalists' and not reporters.
     
  4. comme

    comme Moderator
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    Feb 21, 2003
    That's not entirely true.

    Of the "consensus" 100 (based on points from the others put together). I rate:

    De Bruyne 1 place higher
    Hazard 1 place lower
    Van Dijk 12 places lower
    Courtois 16 places lower
    Lukaku 43 places lower
    Mertens 1 place lower
    Vertonghen 11 places higher
    Meunier 27 places lower
    Alderweireld not at all
    Depay 1 place lower

    Meanwhile I include De Vrij, Witsel and Ziyech, none of whom make the consensus list.

    By and large that reflects the fact that my list is covering a longer period, as opposed to just 2018.

    Also of the players I omit, Alderweireld basically didn't play last year (I rated him 43rd in 2017), Meunier wouldn't have got in at all if Marca hadn't placed him 33rd! and Lukaku has been (World Cup aside) very poor in 2018.
     
  5. comme

    comme Moderator
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    Feb 21, 2003
    It's there in his numbers (9 goals, 11 assists last season and already 6 goals this season), but it's also there in his play.

    I don't know if it's late recognition or if he's genuinely playing better than he has previously. He is though a superb player and absolutely central to everything that City do. He knits things together and is willing to make the more risky and telling pass, rather than just keeping it simple.

    At the same time, City are undoubtedly missing De Bruyne who was absolutely vital to their season last year and also Ben Mendy who provides a big threat down the left. Delph has been underwhelming this season and Zinchenko is not a left back.
     
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  6. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    The L'Equipe teams of 2018 (3 January 2019).

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    For those who do not have the paid version, TYPE TEAM: Oblak - arnold vdjik varane Marcelo - modric kante - mbappe messi hazard cristiano ... TEAM B (according to the votes): lloris - kimmich ramos silva lucas - pogba debruyne - salah neymar griezmann kane .... TEAM C: courtois - carvajal godin koulibaly (umtiti) sandro - rakitic matuidi coutinho - mane cavani firmino

    https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Article/L-equipe-type-monde-2018-de-l-equipe/973562


    They have muted down the number of French players (the world champion) in the team... (also only one German in all the teams)



    This from the readers of 'Algemeen Dagblad' in Netherlands (41000 votes)

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  7. AD78

    AD78 Member+

    Jul 17, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Interestingly from a statistical perspective the top ten across four of the bigger name awards had almost identical top ten's which is pretty unusual, ignoring the places which is very subjective and just looking at names (equally subjective I know).

    FIFA award was by season and the earliest and had the following:

    Modric, Ronaldo, Salah, Mbappe, Messi, Griezmann, Hazard, De Bruyne, Varane, Kane

    UEFA Award again by season had same list with the exception of Ramos in for Kane.

    The last two awards that were by calendar year, namely the Ballon d'or and World Soccer award and had the same top ten as the FIFA, basically meaning that bar Ramos / Kane swap in the UEFA award the top tens were identical, that is the closest I have seen the lists ever. I did my top ten a week before FIFA annoucned thier list and had the same as the FIFA list so maybe this year a top ten was the clearest its been?

    Also the fact the Ballon d'or and World Soccer award by calendar had same top ten as UEFA award was indication that no one had an electric start to 2018-19 season and entered the top for WS/B D'or.
     
  8. comme

    comme Moderator
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    Feb 21, 2003
    To me, that smacks of group think more than anything and a snowballing effect. Once one award has come, the others follow in from it.
     
  9. AD78

    AD78 Member+

    Jul 17, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Maybe, but that hasn't happened pretty much every other year where there has been a fair few differences...as I said, I did my list, which is always pretty different but this time was exactly the same....I can see your point though.
     
  10. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    I have made a particular ranking based on:
    • Ballon d'Or.
    • The Best.
    • FIFPro.
    • UEFA Awards.
    • World Soccer best player of the year.
    • Top 100 FourFourTwo.
    • Top 100 The Guardian.
    • ESM 2017-18 Season (team of the year, teams of the month, total votes).
    • Whoscored and Sofascore ratings (national leagues 2017-18, Champions League 2017-18, Europa League 2017-18 and World Cup 2018) with corrections for collective classifications, matches and minutes played.

    The top 100 that results from the combination of these data is the following:

    1.- Modric.
    2.- Cristiano Ronaldo.
    3.- Messi.
    4.- Salah.
    5.- Griezmann.
    6.- Mbappé.
    7.- De Bruyne.
    8.- Hazard.
    9.- Varane.
    10.- Neymar.
    11.- Kane.
    12.- Marcelo.
    13.- Ramos.
    14.- Kanté.
    15.- Cavani.
    16.- De Gea.
    17.- Luis Suárez.
    18.- Rakitic.
    19.- Umtiti.
    20. David Silva.
    21.- Coutinho.
    22.- Agüero.
    23.- Kroos.
    24.- Mané.
    25.- Pogba.
    26.- Dybala.
    27.- Godín.
    28.- Casemiro.
    29.- Jordi Alba.
    30.- Kimmich.
    31.- Ter Stegen.
    32.- Firmino.
    33.- Lewandowski.
    34.- Oblak.
    35.- Walker.
    36.- Isco.
    37.- Carvajal.
    38.- Dani Alves.
    39.- Van Dijk.
    40.- Lukaku.
    41.- Mandzukic.
    42.- Piqué.
    43.- Sterling.
    44.- Keylor Navas.
    45.- Courtois.
    46.- Busquets.
    47.- Eriksen.
    48.- Chiellini.
    49.- Icardi.
    50.- Allison.
    51.- Iniesta.
    52.- Otamendi.
    53.- Hummels.
    54.- Thiago Silva.
    55.- James Rodríguez.
    56.- Tripper.
    57.- Mertens.
    58.- Koulibaly.
    59.- Pjanic.
    60.- Ederson.
    61.- Bale.
    62.- Persisic.
    63.- Fekir.
    64.- Reus.
    65.- Lovren.
    66.- Thauvin.
    67.- Giménez.
    68.- Stones.
    69.- Buffon.
    70.- Lloris.
    71.- Benzema.
    72.- Tadic.
    73.- Insigne.
    74.- Lucas Hernández.
    75.- Fernandinho.
    76.- Pavard.
    77.- Leroy Sané.
    78.- Higuaín.
    79.- Immobile.
    80.- Aubameyang.
    81.- Meunier.
    82.- Saúl.
    83.- Kolarov.
    84.- Payet.
    85.- Dele Alli.
    86.- Ozil.
    87.- Jorginho.
    88.- Banega.
    89.- Azpilicueta.
    90.- Filipe Luis.
    91.- Bernardo Silva.
    92.- Verthongen.
    93.- Skriniar.
    94.- Arturo Vidal.
    95.- Di María.
    96.- Koke.
    97.- Vrsaljko
    98.- Mina.
    99.- Dzeko.
    100.- Depay.
     
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  11. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
  12. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
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    #62 PuckVanHeel, Jan 9, 2019
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2019
    This might be interesting from that respect (obviously still with a few caveats and heavily dependent on the model used - problem remains that individualized 'bottom-up' stats in football remain heavily interdependent, unlike baseball)



    David Silva is at 1.04 (estimated) overperformance. He isn't marked in the graph but the creator has published the underlying data and numbers (click tweet).
     
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  13. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    This is also good stuff and done by someone who clearly had a really good thought about this and feel for what the visuals and data signifies.

    1082906896355463169 is not a valid tweet id
     
  14. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    Interestingly Real Madrid had the most expected point last year in La Liga and Barcelona overachieved heavily. You might remember some last second flukey wins early in the season.

    https://understat.com/league/La_liga/2017
     
  15. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    #65 PuckVanHeel, Jan 11, 2019
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2019


    Before confusion arises: this is a public poll, not made by 'experts', UEFA or managers as is sometimes thought (maybe a mix-up with the 'squad of the season', which is made by a technical panel).

    Percentages here:
    https://toty.uefa.com/

    Not surprised by Neymar not making it and splitting votes (has made it only once in his career despite a few factors going for him), but maybe more surprising Sergio Ramos is so damn popular?

    On the other hand, Real Madrid has now almost as many inclusions as Bayern, Juventus and Milan combined since 2001.

    Spaniards in general very popular with more inclusions as Germany and France combined (and at just a half dozen distance when Italy is added to those two).

    Chelsea overtakes Arsenal as the English club with the most inclusions.
     
  16. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    Real also more CLs than all of them combined since 2001. ;)
     
  17. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    :)

    Yes true and that part is not surprising. It is also known they have many fans worldwide (per research), and just looking at social media followers then they have also many more as those three clubs put together (~20% more in 2014 and 2015). That's a rough indication.

    Looking at the number of finals played then the difference becomes 10 vs 5 in favor of 'the three'. There are years where the losing finalist has the same or more inclusions as the winner. 2001, 2003, 2005, 2008, 2012.
     
  18. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    The team looks reasonable except for two RM players imo. Marcelo and Sergio Ramos likely didn't deserve to make it this year based on their performances.
     
  19. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Marcelo is arguably a deserved inclusion for what he did in the first half of the calendar year (was the standout player in his position)

    Ramos however has looked like one of real Madrid’s worse players since the beginning of this season (even worse than Luca modric)
    It’s time i think he called it a day or else he is in danger of tarnishing his legacy
     

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