Are you serious? Suazo is not just good enough to make it you should of had him first on your list, on anybodys list when discussing honduran players. thats a no brainer.
I concur he's just trying to compare players in the era of his beloved magico, to belittle the accomplishments of Suazo, 22 goals in the Serie A is a feat no one in the Concacaf could accomplish no matter what era!. 1st among my list.
Goleador en Chile con Palestino y Santiago Wanderers. También jugo con SW en la Copa Libertadores, incluso jugo contra Boca Jrs.
Yeah that was my point to compare the STATS with the other GREAT CENTRAL AMERICAN players, um the NUMBERS dont lie. This season he has 12 GOALS now and LEADS ALL LATINOS in GOAL SCORING and with that goal that he scored on WEDNESDAY he has scored 100 GOALS in ITALY which of course would be for SERIE A and SERIE B games. I put up the stats, hard to argue with that.
Para el Apertura el '01 te puedo asegurar que estuvo entre los goleadores de tal competencia. Link dudo que pueda encontrar, pero efectivamente te puedo confirmar que fue goleador (tuvo mas exito en Palestino, la verdad). Tambien tuvo la posibilidad de jugar la Libertadores con mi equipo--Wanderers--logro nada despreciable. Lo que paso con Dwight en su paso por Wanderers fue que ya teniamos al goleador del anho anterior--Silvio Fernandez--y que era de las mismas caracteristicas, entonces era dificil ponerlos juntos. Sin embargo, igual jugo bien Dwight (pero como dije su paso mas exitoso en Chile fue con Palestino). Despues de estar con nosotros creo que se dirigio a Espana por 1era vez? Ah y como dice PV: jugo Copa Libertadores (vs. Montevideo Wanderers de Uruguay, Boca Jrs. de Argentina, y Emelec de Ecuador). Ahora bien, volviendo al tema de los mejores de Centroamerica, no se si "El Tanque" este como para eso, o si? o: Metro
no way any of this players deserves a spot in the best XI of C.A. before el gordo pezzarozzi Paulo Cesar Wanchope Alvaro Saborio Ronald Gomez Rolando Fonseca Winston Parks Alonso Solis
Creo que Feno ya te dije mejor que yo no En verdad? Yo pense que estuvimos en el foro de Centroamerica? Pero bueno...examinamos a todos. David Suazo es obviamente el mejor de la CONCACAF(hasta puedo decir que es lo mejor de los Americas por ahorita, sacando Brasil y Argentina). Esta matando la liga con la mejor defensa del mundo(Serie A) solito. La carrera de Landon Donovan(en Europa) fue menos de una media hora(entro en 1 partido por Leverkusen cuando estaba de terminar y no hiciste nada{las palabras de los Alemanes, no de mi}) y volvio a la liga llena de talento(MLS) llorando que no le querria pasar el balon. Ni los Gringos le respectan, pero tu lo quieres poner arriba de Jorge Gonzalez? Hay muchos Estadounidenses que son mucho mejor que el tambien(Beasley, Reyna, Dempsey, Ramos, etc.) Gonzalez hizo uno de sus monton de goles llevando casi todo el equipo de Barcelona(ponga la video otra vez Feno) como Maradona contra Inglaterra. Ni una persona de la CONCACAF(aparte de John Barnes/Jamaica contra Brasil in '84) habia hecho algo asi. Otra cosa, te callen mal como personas Maradona, Edmundo, Romario, Ronaldo, Garrincha, _____(insertar la mitad de Sud/Centroamerica ahi)? Eso no tiene nada que ver con talento. Disculpame, I just didn't realize there were still people left that think Donovan is world class, he proved in front of the whole world last year he's just an average player(if even that). En el Copa de Mundial U-17 hace anos, el(supuestamente) fue lo mejor jugador del torneo, donde tambien jugaron Essien(Ghana), Rosiky(Rep. Czech) y varios de la seleccion Republica Czecha. Ahora Essien esta con Chelsea, Rosicky con Arsenal, y Donovan con the LA Galaxy(shit, almost fell out of my chair again). Tranquilo, estoy burlando de el, no de ti(como siempre he hecho), porque es bien arrogante por alguien que tiene poco abilidad. A el si puedo decir que me cae mal como persona. Cuando tengo tiempo pondre mi equipazo.
1. Ya hace rato que cambie de un equipo ideal de la CONCACAF a uno de Centroamerica. No se si alcanzaste a leer. 2. Mantengo lo que dije: es un foro de opiniones, por consiguiente pongo a quien quiera. Eso es tema mio: yo no objete tus elecciones y las respeto, haz lo mismo con los demas, por favor. Metro
La comparacion entre Hugo, Jorge y Suazo es ridicula y patetica. Do all the research you want. Maradona though Jorge was better than him, that should be enough. Pescadito Ruiz is not any better than Raul Diaz Arce. Antonio said something very important, and you have to remember something. Antonio is a profesional of the game, and Im one step below. I play semi-pro here in California and grew up in a profesional team. Tonos point is legit. "Chope did good in Spain, England, Italy" and scored goals in World Cups even when he was old. Hugo didnt do crap with Mexico. Suazo had one lucky season in serie A. Serie B does not count, sorry. I do think Suazo is a great player, so does Hugo but Jorge was just in a different level, speaking of individual technique. Wanchope is better than Suazo till now, still waiting for Suazo to come up with something bigger. Suazo vrs Medford, J. Dely Valdez is more realistic. Like I told you, get the example of Batistuta, he won everything in Seria A and he is still considered just an average Forward, the same with Shevshenko. I know we are missing some good players from Honduras, Idk about Guatemala. Is mostly ES, CR and Honduras. I havent have the time to do a real reaseach with the old stuff, but I do know based on my knowledge that Chope is above Suazo, and that Pezcadito isnt better than Diaz Arce, they are both great strikers but thats about it.
Ok now heres something to ponder, ENZO FRANCHESCOLI just called Suazo a GREAT PLAYER and ALL THE ITALIAN COACHES speak very well about him. Um SERIE B DOESNT COUNT? um SERIE B IS BETTER and just as good than MOST LATIN AMERICAN LEAGUES. Now thats all good and dandy when someone gives you a praise but FACTS is what stand out in my mind. You look at SUAZOS numbers compared to other numbers from the OTHER GREAT CENTRAL AMERICAN PLAYERS and I believe they stack up right with them or even to HIS FAVOR. He broke the club record in goal scoring he now has 101 GOALS and counting for that club and about 50 IN SERIE A so dont give me that 1 LUCKY SEASON CRAP he has been a productive player when given the playing time. Its a 2 way street but the WORLD CUP is once every 4 years, playing in competitive LEAGUES thats a WHOLE CAREER. Sure HUGO didnt do a lot of great things with the Mexican team BUT HE WAS AWESOME in REAL MADRID and that should carry LOTS OF WEIGHT RIGHT THERE. Suazo leads ALL LATINOS IN SCORING UP TO THIS POINT in SERIE A this current season. Or I guess hes just having another "LUCKY SEASON" lol , Los numeros no mienten viejo pero tu sabes opinions are like asses everybody got one.
Ruiz just past him goals and Ruiz played two seasons less then Diaz arce Ruiz played in Greece top flight for 1 year before going to the MLS. an ruiz had a season in the MLS were he Scored 32 in all competitons no Central American player comes close. Suazo is way better and more athletic the then Wanchope, Suazo has been in the Serie A for 4 years and is the top latin american player that leads all of the Americas in Goals, over Recoba, adriano, Ronaldo. he has beem scoring 10+ season while in the serie A while chope was a mediocre player in england except at man city , average striker he could of been replaced by any other England national to do the same, in spain he had 1 brillant goal and scored like 7 but was inconsistent from there. and chope never played in italy.
Suazo number one in central america and hugo number one too. amen the good part is that Tono whos a proffesional soccer players think Wanchope is better than Suazo so I should listen to you instead? I've seen Suazo so many times now. Nothing special. A couple of runs, penalty kicks... thats all i've seen from suazo. Italys second division is better than all latin america, sure and MLS is better than EPL bc they beat chelsea the other day Go home dude. Franchescoli thinks Suazo is a great player when El Principe was a total disapoinment in the WC. Maradona whos actually the best player of all time thinks Jorge at one point was better than him... Do a real scientific research son, dont just lisent to the numbers, this isnt Gringo Football where one 1 million yards runned with a ball in your hands makes u a great athlete, or weightin like a tousands pounds... this is futbol, the real deal.
As far as Suazo and Wanchope, Wanchope is pretty much finished and its easier to judge his carreer, I'd really have to wait until Suazo is done in order to compare both of them. Wanchope has played on more teams and has also done his stuff in two World Cups, Suazo, unfortunately for him, may never make it there with Honduras. Its like El Magico, if he had played for a team like Mexico, and had gone to several World Cups instead of crashing out in the first round in 1982, I'm sure he'd probably be considered above Hugo Sanchez, it was just bad luck. Also with Ruiz and Diaz Arce, Arce had a better team at DC United(and better service) than Ruiz in Texas, so he obviously did more. I think if Ruiz found a good team in Spain or Italy he would really shine. As far as Magico and Suazo, its like comparing Zidane and Gerard Muller, they're both completely different players. Suazo is fast, strong, and an excellent goalscorer, and Magico was by far the CONCACAF's greatest-ever midfielder, if you put the two on any team they'd be deadly. Remember a long time ago Central America was one country(taking out Panama and Belize) and if they had one team, they would probably crush CONCACAF and be second only to Brazil and Argentina in the region.
ah tono is tico , its called Bias suazo is from Honduras , one of guatemala's rivals, but i recognize Suazo is a greater player then Chope. Suazo has smooth dribble like A skier going down a mountain,strong lazer shot and a speed not matched by Chope, chope is athletic baboon with good skill in the box although sometimes clumsy who made a career with his size and intimidation and decent finishing abilty. Suazo currently has a better scoring rate, in europe , and doesn't look like he will slow down.
Tono is right according to me. Going to different leagues and different styles of the game can be a factor too. Rivaldo went to Italy and he became a nobody, and is not the fact that Italy has "better" defenders, bc if we gone go physical Ill have to go with the Germans over the British and Italians. Rivaldo just like Ronaldinho cant play with pressure, they need the whole team giving them the ball. Ronaldinho playing next to Ronaldo is a nobody, and even Messi is making Dinho disappear now. Can Suazo be better than Magico? maybe, but not at this point, I really dont think Suazo is going to get to the level where they compare him to a legend of soccer, and of course he is a sensation right now, but he needs to put "la cereza en el pastel." He has done nothing big yet. Believe me, I know what Im talking about. Wanchope is still over Suazo, not bc he is Tico but bc of what he did. Italian serie B does not count, and it doesnt matter how much you want to argue that. No many people pays attention to Italian soccer, not even serie A, why would they pay attention to serie B? Pressure, level, and everything is always on Primera. Do you know who the champion of USL is? Do you know who the Champion of Brazil second division is? Do you know the second division champion of your own country Guatemala? One great season in seria A, thats all, well follow him and if he keep doing good, he will get the credit. Pezcadito Ruiz may be a bit better than Diaz Arce but is just a bit. Diaz Arce took DC to two straight MLS titltles and did pretty good with the NT. Suazo still has a couple of years to prove he is in big dogs list. Listen to the people who knows. Dont just go with the flow. Why wouldnt Tono say that Wanchope is better than Jorge if he is Tico? When you play soccer at a high level, you know whos got the skills, and whos is good and whos is not. As impressive as Suazo looks, he is really not any better than Shevshenko or Hugo Sanchez, they were just good goal scorers that had the team playing for them, and they always happened to be in the right place in the right time. Get it?
Suazo is having a good season now too can you feno explain that??? luck?? scoring 22 goals in the Serie A is no luck, the season before that i think he scored alot too not as much as last season though. i remeber magico, for being a drunk, and losing 10-0 lol jk i wasn't born when he played in spain , i was born 86
Ok so I guess HUGO was FRAUD , Im Honduran and dont like the guy but you gotta give the man his PROPS what he did in SPAIN no other CONCACAF player comes close or am I mistaken? Well everybody is just argueing based of opinions and HE SAID SHE SAID stuff, if you look at the begining of this post I ACTUALLY put up STATS hard cold facts which BACK my arguement. A FEW RUNS and penalty kicks huh? well if its that easy I guess any body can just do that huh, funny how not many CENTRAL AMERICAN players reach that level though you make it sound so simple ? Um ok the SERIE B IN ITALY I would rate higher then ANY CENTRAL AMERICAN LEAGUE, OVER MLS, um probably same level as the MEXICAN LEAGUE if not higher, um BETTER THEN COLOMBIAS LEAGUE, OR PERU, OR ECUADOR, CHILE AS WELL, ALSO BOLIVIA , UM PROBABLY LITTLE BETTER OVER URUGUAY's league, ONLY THE BRAZILIAN and ARGENTINIEN LEAGUE I would consider better then ITALYS serie B. Maybe some VISUAL EVIDENCE IS what you need , well take a peak. You can see a few more little RUNS lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Yx7fN2f2Y
magical stuff here is Ruiz just becuase we are throwing out top CA strikers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc-mzkX71hg
to you this may be the "debate" of your life. To me is just a waste of time. You talk of Serie B being better than "all latin american leagues" as if you have been there. Dude go home. Can you professionally or scientifically prove that second division in Itally is better than all latin american leagues with the exception of brazil or argentina? Get real, nobody gives a ******** about Italian second division. In fact a few people really give a ******** about Il Calccio. I grew up watching an strong team on AC Milan, and Juventus have come along. Other than that, nobody knows crap about Italian soccer. Dont confuse good defenders with good defensive strategy. Franco Baresi whos prob the best defender that ever came out of Italy is below players such as Beckembauer or Lothar Mathews. Italian soccer is defensive and strategical, Im not sure about having the best defenders. Again, this argument is not going anywhere, come back and talk to me after the WCQ when Honduras reach their secon WC or after Suazos big step into Juventus, Milan or Real Madrid. I saw Suazo againts ES in the friendly match, he didnt do shit, and I dont think he is going to make a difference for the qualifying, although he should show how dominant he is after "schooling" serie B defenders that are far more superior to our boys in concacaf Good luck man.
I could give a shit about Serie B too, but it really is a good league, probably around the FMF(like somebody said). Greatest CONCACAF or Central American players are hard to select because none of them have really proven themselves, either in the World Cup or European leagues. There we/are probably a few guys in El Salvador's/Honduras'/ Costa Rica's/Jamiaca's leagues better than Hugo Sanchez, but Sanchez showed them all up by being a huge star on the world's greatest team. Our players are just starting to get exposure, and get looked at by top European clubs, and in a few years our national teams will be more compeditive, and we can continue pissfighting who's better. Look at Jamaica, for example. They have a million players who can dribble through an entire team by themselves. But one of them got lucky, and got nationalized for England(John Barnes) and dribbled through Brazil's entire team for England's best ever goal, and set up the consolation goal when England lost to Maradona's Argentina in 1986. Or look at Suriname, more than half of Holland's team is from there, and neither their players nor their teams are better than any Central American team other than Nicaragua or Belize. Guatemala handled them easily in the 2006 WC Qualifiers. The point is Diaz Arce, Cienfuegos, Ruiz, Medina, and all the other big shots need to be in big European leagues. Suazo has definately improved playing there, and so would the rest of them. You could even watch tapes of Ronaldinho in the Copa America before he went to Europe(he was just a fancy dribbler and scorer and became a master with the tactics), or of Maradona and how immature he was in Spain WC 1982, and how he became world-class in 1986 after playing in Italy and winning the Scudetta.
You know, I think its time man time to bust out with them photos. And anyone else who's big shit(has gone near a pro team) can follow suit. Are you still allowed to post on the player forum??