The Art of VAR - Other Teams Thread[R]

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  1. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Who the hell told you that?

    Yeah look at him, he's at Dortmund. And? Foden is at a better team with a coach that is pushing and developing him. Sancho has to find a club capable of paying an absurd amount of money to even get to the situation Foden is in.

    That's amazing. Schalke huh?
     
  2. RaMaaa

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    Feb 3, 2013
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    what the hell are you talkking about. Its better to play regulary at team like Schalke than sit on the bench, ,same with Foden. dude can be good player but he is sitting and playng where, in training? thats enough? I dont understan your point. We have same situations, when players likeCarvajal, Casemiro even now Reguilon showing what they got and those 'year on loan' can be key for every player.

    And what about Sancho?? dude TOOK THE RISK. and it paiid of. Who knows,maybe if he would have stayed at City he till this day would have bin 'talented kid', now heis becoming very good player.
     
  3. 4x4s

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    #12128 4x4s, Oct 10, 2019 at 12:52 PM
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    Going to another team doesn't guarrantee playing time, and playing time doesn't guarrantee progress. As an example: Kubo is playing for one of the most boring teams in Spain, even if he gets minutes, he's making zero progress there. He's coming on and plays the stiffest nonsense i can imagine. That's the kind of squad he's on though.
    I consider Schalke a similar situation. Talented German players can't leave Schalke fast enough.

    The right loan move can help in progress. There's a chance City and the player haven't found that move yet. What point does it make to send him to a team that defends for 90 minutes and have him touch the ball 20 times per match?

    Again, as i said, i struggle to see what the Mallorca stint is doing for Kubo other than giving him the cultural experience of playing in Spain.

    He's tied to a team that is looking at a 150 mil. + fee to let him go at the least. It might surprise you, but he's still the "talented kid" and nowhere near a star.


    Also how the hell is Foden in a bad situation?

    'Phil’s going nowhere — Phil is City. We won’t be signing anyone else for that position.

    'When David Silva leaves, we know exactly who our new magician will be.'

    The guy has a guaranteed starting lineup spot locked in at City and you're suggesting he goes and gets to play long ball chasing on a potato field for experience's sake like Kubo.
     
  4. RaMaaa

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    Because Phoden SITTING SECOND year in a row, hot the hell thats good situation? dude need to play for progress not sit. It's good that Pep said to him you will take Silva's spot next year, but till next a lot of time. Thats why im saying its better to play someone else for a year and mature a little bit in every aspect, not sit and sit steady, thats aint gona help for any player.
     
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  5. Chinky24

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    I appreciate your perspective on this. That being said, I think a lot of the negative accusations are colored by the same positive accolades; he is indeed a polarizing figure. He is the victim of his own success, and when he didn't get his way, he bitched and also failed with some of his own problems, regardless of the blame that others may share in this situation. We can all admit that they are underperforming for a variety of reasons - the players, the coaching staff, the hangover effects of prior success, the front office management.

    On the other hand, to have a balanced opinion, would you not say that Mourinho was gifted but flawed, and was tactically one of the more proficient managers we have seen in our time when it comes to assessing opposing teams? If he would only keep his mouth shut and also have learned not to manage antagonistically, but I digress. I think he's a 7/10 manager, but in the right positions he can be amazing, but when found out, looks horrible and then talks himself into a shithole. Definitely not HoF or all-time, however.
     
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  6. 4x4s

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    He's 19 years old. Just because football has developed an absolute fetish with younger players doesn't mean what Cit are doing is wrong.

    Also players are not fruit or wine. Its not like sending him into a bad locker room culture will help him "mature". I've seen great kids pick up terrible habits because the team culture was rotten.

    Foden's career doesn't end next week, next month or next year. Whatever the plan is, the guy Manchester City would name the club after, absolutely adores him. Why would Guardiola want to harm or prevent the player from developing in any way? Why can't we just accept that there might be a plan behind this choice instead of believing that playing equals getting better no matter where?
     
  7. 4x4s

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    Most of them are Raiola package deals for Pogba. Areola is a Raiola client as well, so I'm absolutely sure our Pogba links and discussions have something to do with this transaction going through smoothly.

    If we sign Pogba next summer we'll most likely sign Areola on a permanent deal as well.
     
  8. celito

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    Feb 28, 2005
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    The kid turned 19 this year. He has time to be patient. Probably learning a bunch even being a bench player.
     
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  9. YOUNGSTARS87

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    Dec 21, 2005
    Enough spin.

    Mourinho personally request for those players. You guys want to worship at his feet for anything positive he can muster but deflect, spin and evade when it comes to Mourinho being responsible for things not going well.
     
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  10. Akramzizou

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    I think he definitely is, not for us, but for his achievements elsewhere. Winning 2 CLs is massive, winning them with 2 different teams is even more impressive. Winning them with 2 different underdogs is 100% hall of fame material.

    I think people are just confused about how much Guardiola hypes him up then doesnt play him. Its kinda of like when Zidane said its a shame Brahim doesnt play more..... hes the one not playing him.
     
  11. J-Mezzy

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    I think Pep just likes to troll
     
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  12. Umar

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    Sep 13, 2005
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    If Pep was with another team and got asked about Foden, he would talk about how he's a decent player but there are many players in his reserve team like Foden. I remember his comments about Wilshere, and Foden is in a similar position as a young player with potential (but playing fewer games than Wilshere at his age).
     
  13. 4x4s

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    Ironically enough Mhkitaryan gave an interview when he left that he wondered why they got him (he didn't play for ages when he arrived there), and Mourinho himself was giving interviews like he had no idea what the player is good for.

    Players like Fellaini were already there.

    I'm not even claiming he bought well(Mourinho never does) , but I haven't forgotten people claiming we should have bought Sanchez for example and now make fun of ManUtd for that transfer like we forgot them comparing him to Bale all day long.
     
  14. 4x4s

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    Maybe, but the young players he liked at Bayern actually had what it takes.
     
  15. SayWhatIWant

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    Some of thr stuff I'm reading makes me think I'm hallucinating... Mou not an all-timer?? 7/10???
    Crazy stuff

    He was securely an all timer within 5 years of his career.

    In my opinion, he is the best manager in world football at the moment.
    Would I want him over Zidane however? No
     
  16. J-Mezzy

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    Mou hasn't been the best manager in the world since 2012
     
  17. 4x4s

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    The fact is though that he did have a run where he without a doubt was. I don't think many people can say that.
     
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  18. J-Mezzy

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    Yeah he was at some point the special one. Now he is a stubborn has been
     
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  19. 4x4s

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    Everybody will be. Even we as regular people.
     
  20. Digital

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    On the other side of that coin i don’t think many people can say that they were actively sacked by three big clubs because the teams ( that he mostly built) and the football was pretty dire, either, that balances the “he is the best” scales somewhat, that 3rd season madness weighs him down
     
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  21. 4x4s

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    Ancellotti was sacked by 4 (Juventus, Chelsea, Madrid, Bayern), and was pretty much 5 if you include Milan that pretty much forced him to quit.

    The more you work, the more this is a reality.
     
  22. Digital

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    No one is calling him the best are they? At least I don’t think so
     
  23. 4x4s

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    They should, Carlo is top 10, if not top 5.
     
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  24. Chinky24

    Chinky24 Member+

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    There's definitely some middle ground here between die-hards and pure detestors. I think he flips out for some reason at some point in his 2nd or 3rd season with every club that makes people wonder WTF. I also think he's a perfectionist and a control-freak with a bit of narcissism. All understandable at the elite level - no one's perfect. I think the relationships he's built (fortress mentality, the club must abide by my transfer requirements, everything is done my way) with above and below make for a difficult pill to swallow. What he did at Madrid was great (challenging Barca for Liga titles, semi-final CL appearances when we had none since 2003) but was heavily diluted by making everyone hate us. That is why I say 7/10. The aftermath of the clubs when he leaves often causes a lot of fallout and problems, especially when he doesn't get his way.

    Who knows that if they would've signed a CF and a CB that United wouldn't be doing much better? He deserves the benefit of the doubt here, especially if there's a likelihood that he comes back regardless of what we say.
     
  25. Sarcasm Bot

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    No manager can excel without the right situation. Mou has been finding it hard to get into the right situation these past few years, even with United. Either because of poor backing by the board or insurgent players who feel mistreated.

    We have seen that Mou given a bidget similar to Pep doesn't pull off what Pep does. So he needs to find a different situation where he's more suited to. Somebody who's out of work can't possibly be the best manager in the game at the moment.
     
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