The Arsenal v. MANchester United Regional Establishment, Saturday December 2 2017, 1730 GMT

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  1. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I’m like bergkamp m8, only at the speed of a drifting continent

    Ps I don’t care about loyalty etc and all that now
     
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  2. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Agreed. It compensates for Wenger's absolute dependence on FBs for width, and it's also the easiest way for Wenger to deal with our CM getting run over every game by mediocre opposition. With three at the back it just matters less that we get dominated in the middle even though it still happens every match. Kinda how we won the Spurs match--just conceded the middle of the park from the jump.

    However, considering our resources I would like to have a functional central midfield sometime in the near future...
     
  3. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    It worked against Sperz because they weren’t good enough to pass out of a high press. Ditto United. Much more dangerous to do that against City.
     
  4. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Lastly, we all fine with Mustafi being sold, yeah
     
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  5. KozIsCul

    KozIsCul Member+

    Feb 6, 2005
    I agree, specifically because I think this fits our talent best right now. Neither Ramsey nor Wilshere nor Xhaka are world beaters right this second but I think we're best off playing all three with the thought that the numbers will compensate for defensive weakness (or lack of range in Xhaka's case). Combine that with three at the back and the FB's are at liberty to overcommit when the situation arises. There's likely to be players behind them who can get wide on the cover if need be. Or they can stay in the middle and hold shape against what might otherwise be a dangerous situation if that's the best choice.

    I don't think we're getting enough goals to justify having three forwards.
     
  6. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Square up
     
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  7. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    pull up.

    Where you want this fade?
     
  8. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    POST YOUR ADDRESS ALREADY
     
  9. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Mustafi needs to go

    Let’s trump Liverpool for van dijk
     
  10. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Someone want to create a new match thread for BATE?
     
  11. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    we can meet in DC, so you can see these hands.
     
  12. The Foo Fighter

    The Foo Fighter Member+

    Mar 15, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Got it.
     
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  13. footykid

    footykid Member+

    Jan 10, 2005
    Mississauga, Ont
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Haven't watched a game in awhile, what is the death with Mustafi?
     
  14. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I don’t get the Mustafi hate. He made a mistake against United, but he’s been mostly good this season.
     
  15. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Me either. But some people just like to hate.
     
  16. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Hasn't Mustafi been the best defensive distributor we've had since he came here? Maybe excepting Per?

    I see them and I raise you my hands
     
  17. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    He's had positional issues on the counter, but he's mostly fixed those.
     
  18. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He’s terrible playing the ball out. Tries way too many ambitious long passes that rarely connect.

    Mertesacker is a far superior passer of the ball. Chambers and Koscielny are both better, too.
     
  19. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    IIRC the numbers don't bear this out but I'll have to go find them
     
  20. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    This is incorrect:

     
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  21. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    El neney not looking good on that list
     
  22. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now there's someone who I've not been real keen on.

    That said, his # of touches is off the charts and his resulting turnover ratio is one of the best (lowest).

    I wonder what the time period of this chart was?

    That's something that people could do a better job of when siting stats: Clarifying the source, the criteria (e.g. date range), etc.

    Sometimes I get the distinct impression that citations are carefully concocted/cherry-picked to support the point.
     
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  23. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    [​IMG]
     
  24. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Umm, what? It says he doesn’t turn the ball over much and consistently makes himself available.

    Elneny is positionally suspect in defense and transition.
     
  25. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Checking season to date numbers on whoscored.com, the numbers are similar to those on the tweet, with many of the numbers improving slightly, suggesting the data was compiled from earlier in the season. Of note to one of the focuses of this discussion is that Elneny's dispossessed number dropped from 2.9 to 0.8 per 90. In addition, in the season to date numbers Kos has slightly better numbers than Mustafi and Per has significantly better numbers.
     

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