The Arsenal v 1. FC Köln [UEL]-14 Sep 2017-Match Thread

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  1. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Warren Barton is worse than either.

    Umm, guys, Lalas is a giant ginger, isn't he? Friedel is bald.
     
  2. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    missed the match

    who stood out?

    Kola appears to be real deal....
     
  3. SaratogaGooner

    Nov 23, 2009
    Clifton Park NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I couldn't believe (well yes I could) how bad we were first half. Completely flat. Explain to me what anyone sees in Holding? he is awful. Second half with Kolisnac sub....right away different game. Much,much more threatening, higher tempo and bossing the game. Actually saw some nice one touch ball movement reminiscent of the Arsenal of old. Theo needs to be sold for scrap money. Major Kudos to Alexis (and yes I am eating crow after pseudo bad mouthing him last week) for his work ethic and skill. Somebody lit a fire under this teams ass at the half talk and I doubt VERY MUCH it was AW. This came from a player, an emerging leader on the team perhaps (Alexi, Kolisnac) not sure who. Any guesses?
     
  4. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Watching the game on replay on now
    But one thing I must say that our fans really sucked..


    It is probably one of the most least talked about issues but the fan support is piss poor
    It never bodes well for players
     
  5. footykid

    footykid Member+

    Jan 10, 2005
    Mississauga, Ont
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I'm as #WengerOut as anyone but what evidence is there to this?

    First half was bad because of the traditional issues spacing and Alexis' roy of the rovers. Its like they didn't work on this formation at all...
     
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  6. Aaron d

    Aaron d Member+

    May 15, 2005
    Wooster
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Holding looked bad but everyone looked bad the first half. He's looked good in almost every other match. He tried to make some plays offensively (not his game) and was caught out. I don't fault him for forcing something offensively when we were so inept. He looks better in a 4 back.

    Ramsey has taken a lot of heat for his poor positioning in the system, but I'm thinking it's orders from AW. El Neny was left by himself as much as Xhaka had been. Although this time it was Iwobi playing so far forward. MEL isn't terrible, but he isn't good enough to control the midfield solo. He was much better once he had Iwobi & AMN playing closer.
     
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  7. cantona94

    cantona94 Member

    Jul 16, 2000
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, it was him. I'm with you about Lalas but Friedel is the worst for me.
     
  8. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You seem to have answered your own question.
     
  9. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I vote for Per.
     
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  10. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After highlights
    There has to be more
     
  11. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't love Friedel but he has some relevant knowledge. I can't think of anyone worse than Lalas. Maybe Tommy Smythe?
     
  12. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Looked like a 433.

    Maitland-Niles movement...

    We good with 3 CMs. Wenger needs to wake up.


    RIP Rob Holding tho
     
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  13. Fifty

    Fifty Member

    Mar 11, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The club is simply reaping what it has sown. They wanted the these fans.
     
  14. MilesW

    MilesW Member+

    Aug 26, 2010
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Twellman is pretty bad. I remember he was on sportsnation a few months ago and he just never shut up and constantly talked over everyone. It was really obvious the other hosts could not stand him.
     
  15. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    I've made this point a couple of times. Arsenal are essentially playing a 3-5-2 with Ozil as the 10 (look at his heat maps) and Arsene wants the 8 to commit to the offense, i.e., he wants the midfield triangle to play point behind when Arsenal are in possession. It does open the team up to counter attacks, but the it's virtually the same thing Pep is doing at City with Fernandinho behind de Bruyne and Silva, unfortunately Xhaka is not in the same class defensively as Fernandinho.
     
  16. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Not just that but Pep uses his fullbacks to help the midfield.

    Wenge don't do that
     
  17. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is there a reason why highbury was referred to as the library ?
     
  18. IAH-Gooner

    IAH-Gooner Member

    Dec 12, 2014
    Houston
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just watched the match. Good win for the Arsenal.

    Just a few observations:
    • such an Arsenal goal to concede
    • WTF is Holding doing? I like the dude. He was horrible. Is he instructed to lead the attack? Good grief, stay back and defend.
    • aside from the goal, Alexis was very poor
    • Kola is the man! Ball comes to him and he calmly smashes it into the back of the net
    • I know Arsenal players want to pass, pass, pass but it looked like the over the top passes looked more dangerous

    It was a good start to Europa league and I'm glad a lot of second string players got to play. The away fans were phenomenal. I could rarely hear the home fans.
     
  19. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Our full backs are just fine
     
  20. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    He's good enough defensively but he isn't ready to be the defensive leader or the guy that handles all our play out of the back/build-up play but for some insane reason that was what was asked of him last night. Elneny deferring the ball to him I can possibly understand but Per and Monreal did it time and time again too, enough that they have to have been instructed too.


    Henry spoke about that in the studio a few weeks ago. Apparently he had asked Arsene why he kept playing Ramsey in the two-man midfield as he ends up being a little bit of everywhere and Arsene had responded "that's why I play him there".


    It's just not the way Arsene does things anymore. What really annoyed me though was this "Oh we got a freekick, lets take it quick and string together a few passes" idea. We had Giroud on the pitch ffs, why not try to occasionally lob a ball in there to him?
     
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  21. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    No one has said otherwise.
     
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  22. Scally

    Scally Member+

    Aug 29, 2006
    Rep. of Ireland
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    I should have been clearer, the personnel that we have are more than capable of making the CL
     
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  23. kanonier

    kanonier Member+

    Nov 7, 2005
    Bloomington, Ind.
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Catching up on all the news from yesterday... I love all the shock and surprise about how Koln fans ended up in the home seats -- Arsenal fan interest is lukewarm and people were happy to sell their tickets. Where's the shock? Arsenal shouldn't have been so stingy with the away allocation in the first place. I also saw Gab Marcotti noting that Koln "failed to discourage their fans from traveling." Who cares??

    Good for Koln, seems like they have some awesome fans.
     
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  24. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I didn't say anything bad about our fullbacks as individual talents. [​IMG]
     
  25. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    ah good ThARSday all in all. We should make it a tradition.
     

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