Six of the last eight seasons were outside the Football League. I was pretty surprised they got promoted back up. Warrington is a rugby league town so I doubt that someone would attempt to bankroll Warrington Town into the league. Kings Lynn maybe?
And Arsenal? I thought United and Arsenal were nailed on top 3? I thought Leicester were nailed on relegation certainties? Or Palace? Or Wolves? Or Bournemouth? Or Sheffield United? Or Aston Villa? Or Brighton? Or Burnley? Or Newcastle? Or Villa? Or Bournemouth? Why are they not all in the Championship? They were all relegation certainties no? Oh wait a minute don't tell me...... they all have sugar daddies and all have chucked money at the club right? So it begs the question doesn't it - who exactly in your opinion SHOULD be in the Premier league? If there was no pro/rel who would be the lucky 20? In your opinion what would banishing pro/rel do for English football other than kill it stone dead? In your opinion would banishing pro/rel turn English football into the world's greatest sports league?
This has what to do with the merits of implementing promotion and relegation into the professional soccer landscape in the United States?
I'm all in favor of pro/rel, when the time is right or when there's a justification, not because it happens in Europe. It won't necessarily make the game any more competitive. Leicester and Sheffield United are over-performing, Everton are under-performing and Arsenal are only 4 points behind Spurs with a game in hand. Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal and Spurs will no doubt finish in the top 7 again and again and again and again. Certainly other teams will have the odd freak year but mainly their first objective every season will be to get 40 points, unless another CFG or Abramovic comes along. In the American system there's not much consequence for failure, on the other hand more teams have a chance of winning the title each year. And when a team continually fails we are starting to see the league step in.
I thought the LOL was about ManU ... now it's about game in hand Arsenal? Imagine that, moving goalposts. Though, the ever widening gap (a common talking point for pro/rellers here) and money issues have already infected English football and the sores are forming (Bury, Bolton, and there's a third team this season) in FL clubs like they already have below it. Honestly, I do feel a TIGHTER system of pro/rel with MORE variables than JUST RESULTS would benefit the English system at this point.
So I must have jinxed it. Injuries are still a problem for Bremen. I like Kohfeldt and hope he survives the season. Still, hard to ignore that a year and a half ago we were thinking Europa League and now we're worried about relegation.
I think it would be a good thing as it would give everyone hope that the open system still works i.e. anything can happen to any team no matter how much money they have. Add it stands though Arsenal are more likely to be in the Europa League than the Championship next season.
I think there's likely a finite number of big clubs that could go down without having a negative effect on the fiscal aspects of the game.
There's no easy that would be allowed to happen. In such a hypothetical scenario they'd reduce the number of relegation places or introduce relegation playoffs. I mean look what they've been doing to try and guarantee that the top earning teams compete in Europe. Did anyone say cartel?
Find me one post in this 999 page thread where Newcastle was listed as a relegation certainty. Just one. Otherwise STFU.
In the resale market. Don't think it was the R*****ns" that were taking the hit. And for their failure, they will still be rewarded with better draft choices and an easier schedule.
No they won't! Chelsea United and Spurs have all been relegated since I've been going to football and there is NO reason why it can't happen again! Why is it EVERY club doing well you claim is 'overperforming' and EVERY club doing badly you claim is 'underperforming' it's ridiculous! If you think Leicester are 'overperforming' with the team they have then you know nothing about football but what they do prove like countless others in history have proved is that ANY club has the ability and opportunity to win the Premier League.
Why not? English football survived when United, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Man City etc were relegated, what makes Arsenal so special??
Apparently ALL promoted clubs from Leicester to Wolves (including Newcastle of course) are simple 'cannon fodder' destined for nothing but the drop - thats what was claimed! Pro/rel means that promoted clubs like Leicester, Wolves & Burnley will only be happy finishing second from bottom - they couldn't even dream of winning leagues or playing Europen football!........... wait a minute!
Yeah but they're 'one season wonders' it was a 'freak' season, they'll simply finish bottom this year, as a promoted club they can't compete! They'll never challenge again! Lol
Didn't say it was. But players care about this stuff. My point is that even thought they don't have to fear relegation, there's still a consequence to their pride and morale for on- and off-field failure.
Arsenal themselves aren't special. But I fear the bubble is going to burst someday. There's only so many "big name" teams that a globally marketed brand like the Prem can afford to lose for a season. I don't think this is a soccer problem or a pro/rel problem so much as a pro sports and big money problem. I kinda fear that we're nearing the "nowhere to go but down" point for big-money team sports. I could very easily be wrong.
I'm arguing that whatever the consequences for ownership, the players and coaching staff still have to face playing in a half-empty stadium where their own fans are demoralized and outnumbered by visiting fans. That's a consequence for on- and off-field failure. Not everything is about money.
Once again an assertion without evidence. It’s really easy to win arguments when you’re creating straw men and rebutting claims that were not made.