The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    You're the only one that's mentioned the word "control". The USSF regulates as opposed to controls. So, as regulator, the USSF correctly didn't approve the NASL's request for status.

    Ah, so now we've moved on from "your view is worth less because you don't live here" to "your view is trolling". Interesting.debating style.
     
  2. miladmaz12

    miladmaz12 Member

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Regulate = control. That's the literal definition.

    Sanctioning = approve or give permission for a pro league to play under USSF's rules. US Soccer does not control leagues, it only sanctions MLS, USL, NISA who US Soccer's does NOT control their business operations.
     
  3. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Actually, "regulate" can mean "supervise" and "oversee' which is exactly what the USSF does.
     
  4. miladmaz12

    miladmaz12 Member

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not in this case, "M". That's what sanctioning does.
     
  5. CoachP365

    CoachP365 Member

    Business Metrics SC
    Apr 26, 2012
    No. A quick look back over 2014-17 shows no womens games in Cary. Or men's games. Wakemed has been there since 2007 right, or at least that's when the Railhawks started playing thre. Malik took them over in 2015. WNY Flash relocated there for the summer of 2017 season - maybe drop a game in to see if people will really come out to support women's soccer?

    Nope, no games at Cary until 2018.

    Sure, it might be a goose, it'll be funny if one of the lawsuits shows that it was what it walked and looked like :)

    And on the men's side, we're doing a pretty good self ban on those FIFA comps :)
     
  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is from Wikipedia.

    Senior internationals at Cary:

    (NASL)
    2011 United States women's national soccer team v. Japan
    2011 United States men's national soccer team Training Camp
    2014 United States women's national soccer team v. Switzerland

    (USL)
    2017 United States women's national soccer team v. South Korea
    2018 United States men's national soccer team v. Paraguay
     
  7. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Sanctioining is a facet of regulation.
     
  8. miladmaz12

    miladmaz12 Member

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In your opinion.
     
  9. CoachP365

    CoachP365 Member

    Business Metrics SC
    Apr 26, 2012
    I missed the 2014 WNT game. Malik took over the NASL team in 2015.

    You overlooked the 3 CONCACAF WNT qualifiers in Cary in 2018.

    It's possible having a nice 10K seater so it looks full on TV is just a smart marketing move. We'll never really know.
     
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They weren't random qualifying games, it was a tournament.
     
  11. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The CONCACAF women's tournament was placed there by CONCACAF, not the USSF.

    The USSF has been using that complex since at least 2002, as that's where the infamous NY Times USMNT photoshoot took place.
     
  12. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The USMNT also trained there for a while before the 2002 World Cup and played a scrimmage against the Richmond Kickers. I still recall the meltdown BigSoccer had over the result (a 2-2 draw against a USL club). Of course, we then went on to have our best World Cup run of the modern era.
     
  13. CoachP365

    CoachP365 Member

    Business Metrics SC
    Apr 26, 2012
    So CONCACAF just worked out a deal with Malik, they didn't ask their members "we need to host our WC qualifier, submit possible host cities" ?

    So you seem to all be confirming that the site was intermittently used and then right around the time Malik was deciding to leave NASL, they got 5 games in 2 years?

    Glad we can agree.
     
  14. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do people actually promulgate this as a serious conspiracy theory?
     
  15. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. CoachP365

    CoachP365 Member

    Business Metrics SC
    Apr 26, 2012
    Sure "USSF replaced Papadakis with an NASL owner, Malik, on the board of directors, who then promptly decided to leave NASL for USL, and who served one term before Papadakis resumed his position on the pro council"

    sounds completely coincidental...

    It's obvious the NASL was the gang that couldn't shoot straight. Malik didn't get to be a billionaire by being bad at business, I'm sure once he decided soccer was his play with an NWSL and NASL team he realized the smarter play was going to USL. He had nothing to lose, NCFC is a pretty generic name on the intellectual property front. Indy Eleven were the only team w 1st division aspirations besides the Cosmos with anything at stake, and I'm sure the eurosnobs at MLS marketing are delirious at the chance to use "Racing" instead of United/FC/Real...

    So, conspiracy...nah. A conflicted fed....pretty much...
     
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  17. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't forget Tampa, Ottawa and Indy moved from NASL to USL in 2017 and 2018 with Bill Edwards suing NASL over "a criminal conspiracy".
     
  18. miladmaz12

    miladmaz12 Member

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is your name John by any chance?
     
  19. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  21. MinuteWaltZ

    MinuteWaltZ Member

    Indy Eleven
    United States
    Apr 19, 2019
    The article is quoting a slightly longer article from the Guardian. I'd follow the link at the bottom of the mlssoccer.com article to the Guardian article for anyone interested. There were some good observations about the league and life in the US that didn't get quoted in the mlssoccer.com article (not just about league strength but in general).
     
  22. CoachP365

    CoachP365 Member

    Business Metrics SC
    Apr 26, 2012
    pro/rel privilege :) They grew up and developed in the system so they're blind to the advantages.

    "There are a lot of South American players I’d never even heard of before I came here who are really good players.” - also p/r systems
     
  23. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If there truly were advantages, coming to the closed shop set up would open their eyes by virtue of what is absent ... yeah?
     
  24. owian

    owian Member+

    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So with the actual team name and crest announcement it looks like San Diego will finally have a functioning fully professional club in San Diego.* And I can now say 100%, it would be a hell of a lot better if we had pro/rel. This is no longer a hypothetical question for me it is real and genuine.

    So just to clear anything up, I have put down my deposit and will be purchasing season tickets for at least the inaugural, and there are rumors that they are hoping to pull a Sacramento/Cincinnati but it would still be better plain and simple, if they were entering an open pyramid.

    *I know 1904 is playing in the NISA but I am pretty skeptical about their future getting 3,000 in a 70,000 seat stadium.
     
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  25. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think they even need to pull a Sac/Cincy. All they need is a D1 stadium.
     

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