The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. How did they then proceed with mid contract moves?
    Or didnot the players change clubs before a contract ended?
    Transfer fees arenot foreign in business as I learned about three decades ago. If you wanted an executive that had an ongoing contract, you had to pay a transfer fee to get him now.
     
  2. I would expect effects on inner organs as well as hitting the board just means your body is stopped abruptly, but your inner bodyparts are colliding with each other.
     
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  3. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #23428 Chesco United, Sep 12, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2019
    I believe they then traded the players. Vida Blue had to wait a few years for a trade. This was in the era of the reserve clause.
     
  4. Expansion Franchise

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    It's all trades. It could be for players or draft picks or whatever. MLS has trades for their weird money. Sometimes it's a proxy for money, e.g. also taking a less valuable under a bad contract, etc.
     
  5. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #23430 Elninho, Sep 12, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2019
    When players are moving within a league with salary caps, there really isn't much point in selling a player for money you can't spend on players, so something else of value is exchanged instead. The trades for allocation money that we see in MLS are the closest thing to transfer fees in US sports, and it works in MLS because that's money that can actually be spent on players. In other leagues, sometimes money is included in a trade, but it's usually only a small component. It's rare for a player to be traded for money and nothing else.

    This is what NBA offseason trades look like, for example:
    https://www.nba.com/draft/2019/trade-tracker

    The MLS trade tracker looks a bit closer to the international transfer system, in that it is more common to see players traded for some form of money.
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/transactions/2019/trade-tracker
     
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  6. Forgot to ask, but given your question you expected it to be more popular in the Netherlands?
    Maybe this will interest you, but you need to use google translate.
    It's an article about the current state of baseball in Europe with the European title tournement as qualifier for the Olympics for a couple of countries as background.
    https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2019/09/08/de-europese-honkbaltop-is-smal-en-dat-is-zorgwekkend-a3972626
     
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  7. CrazyJ628

    CrazyJ628 Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    The center of the Earth
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
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  8. Mmm. I see we start the constructive non snarky interaction again.
     
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  9. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Yep non constructive snark is all that anti pro/rel zealot is capable of.
     
  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Speaking of constructive non-snarky interaction...
     
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  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Hauptman’s term as owner ends after 12 years of impressive growth, expanded reach and development for the Club across Chicagoland. Throughout his ownership tenure, Hauptman led a strategy of expansive soccer programming and deep community engagement in addition to investment in infrastructure, management talent and world-class players."

    The man is loathed by the vast majority of supporters.
     
  12. Why?
     
  13. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
  14. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    In pro/rel leagues shitty owners usually get their comeuppance; in closed leagues they can coast and get rewarded for their failure with "better draft choices".
     
  15. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah....anyways, the Chicago Fire just sold for nearly $400M............that's for just the team. They don't own any infrastructure.
     
  16. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When was the last time you said something new?

    An owner in a closed league JUST GOT HIS COMEUPPANCE. He had to sell the team because everyone was fed up with him and no one wanted to do business with him.
     
  17. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Yes, cartels are pretty good for the limited number of cartel owners. And that conflict of interest SUM deal helps too.
     
  18. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Sorry that the reality of US closed leagues hasn't yet sunk in for you.

    I mean the irony of posting that immediately after a post detailing how much they sold for.
     
  19. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, what did you expect the price to be? A buck-99 and a proof of purchase from a 12 pack of Coke Zero?
     
  20. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We'r'e talking about the Fire, not Bury. ;)
     
  21. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    #23446 M, Sep 14, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2019
    I guess the irony flew straight over your head.

    How much money did this apparently crappy owner make by virtue of being a crappy owner in a closed league?

    Closed major leagues - great system for the limited number of owners in the cartel, not so good for the sport as a whole.
     
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  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let's review those long-term investments being made by MLS owners...
     
  23. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah. In a league that’s not even 25 years old, a dumpster fire franchise is now worth $400 million. In a league that was a black hole of money loss for at least a decade, in a sport that’s not popular in this country.

    But hey... cartel.
     
  24. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stability isn’t good for the sport?
     
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  25. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #23450 KCbus, Sep 14, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2019
    Sorry that the reality of big-money cartel leagues hasn't set in for you yet.

    In Europe, the teams with all the money win everything. In MLS, the Galaxy, with Zlatan Ibrahimovic and a coach who once coached Boca Juniors, are staring at missing the playoffs for a third straight year.

    But hey, sporting merit.

    The Philadelphia Union, who have been horribly run for years, have spent much of this season at the top of the Eastern Conference table, and even now sit in 2nd place. Despite competing against Red Bull money, Maple Leaf Sports money and free-spending Atlanta.

    But hey, draft picks.

    In MLS, in its 23 prior seasons, there have been 13 different MLS Cup Champions. Manchester United has won the Premier League 13 times by themselves. 25 of the 27 Premier League titles have been won by only four clubs, and before Man City got its act together, Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal won 18 of the 19 available titles. You don't think that's a cartel? Of course it is!!

    There are worse things in the world than restricting membership in a country's top flight. At least in the closed cartel league, they don't restrict who has a chance of winning. The "open" leagues may be open to membership, but they're completely closed to competition on the field. You can't win unless you break the bank or get extremely, extremely lucky.

    But hey, keep saying cartel over and over and over and over and over again.
     

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