The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    Ex-pat in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    When MLS does that it's often spun as "padding attendance".
     
  2. MinuteWaltZ

    MinuteWaltZ Member

    Indy Eleven
    United States
    Apr 19, 2019
    The "2019 Women's World Cup" thread near the top of the MLS: News & Analysis forum.
     
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The US World Cup squad was selected on merit.
     
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  4. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which probably explains many of the 1/3rd or 1/6th of the players registering- they're likely the players who are a step above (or think they're a step above) the average joe playing for recreation.

    The platonic ideal of a pyramid encompassing everyone from the beer league players up to first division is a nice image, but the pyramid has never covered more than a very small minority of soccer players in any country.
     
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  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are pub teams in the English pyramid if you go down to, for instance, the Huddersfield and District Association Football League Division 4, which is about level 15. They won't have any ambition to be any more than a pub team though.
     
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  6. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aren't the real recreational/pub teams in the "Sunday Leagues" outside of the pyramid league system?
     
  7. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most, not all.
     
  8. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's no such thread in the MLS N&A board............
     
  9. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just posted Tuesday.
     
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's pretty simple and practical. It's meant to keep NWSL competitive with European leagues.

    At the beginning of each season USSF and CSA sign a number players directly.

    Those players are then "allocated" to NWSL teams.

    Anyone who chooses to play full-time overseas is not entitled to the USSF salary.

    In March the US manager signed 22 players to sign to USSF contracts.

    20 of those plus 3 other players were named in the US WC squad.

    The idea of a federation signing international players directly is not unheard of. The USSF signed out of contract players prior to the 1994 World Cup.
     
  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually 13 US players were contacted directly to the USSF in the 94 WC.

    That's nearly the same number of Englishmen who represented Ireland.

    BAP
     
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  12. Insurance.
    Facilities.
     
  13. Not a lure or so. Just was amazed.

     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Facilities - if you're in the Huddersfield and District Fourth Divisions you rent a pitch and get a cold shower in a filthy changing room like everyone else.
     
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  15. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No wonder I didn't see it........it was started by someone I have on ignore.............
     
  16. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most recreational leagues in the US reserve municipal or county facilities for their matches. The governing bodies have little or nothing to offer to your average weekend warrior athlete.
     
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  17. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pro/rel in Mexico, again: as reported earlier today, Lobos BUAP, who were in Liga MX and not relegated based on results, have effectively sold their place in the league and their entire squad to FC Juarez, who were in Ascenso MX and didn't win promotion.

    The Juarez owner bought Lobos, moved them from Puebla to Ciudad Juarez with their entire squad intact, and renamed them FC Juarez. The original FC Juarez was sold to the Lobos owner, who released the entire squad, moved the club to Puebla, and renamed it Lobos BUAP.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    What two consenting adults do with their football clubs...

    I kid, but do you know much about either of these teams? E.g. was Lobos BUAP struggling financially or anything?
     
  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But that's exactly what Article 9 was meant to stop.

    They were the Bournemouth or Eibar of Liga MX.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Does that mean "small market"? That doesn't necessarily mean underfunded.
     
  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're a college team.
     
  22. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They were the second team in Puebla, with Puebla FC (which has its own history of relegation/relocation shenanigans) being the much bigger club. They have only ever been in the top flight for the last two years, and they would have been relegated after the first year if not for the new regulations that restrict promotion to a few licensed teams in the AscensoMX.

    FC Juárez is a relatively new club formed after the previous local club Indios collapsed.

    They're affiliated with a university, but in Mexico that doesn't mean they are student teams. Just like UNAM Pumas or Tigres UANL, they are pro teams that hire and pay whatever players they can get, just like any other club.

    In other LigaMX pro/rel news, Atlético San Luis will get the promotion that they earned, but Veracruz, who finished in the relegation slot, will stay up to expand the league to 19 teams. Probably the intent is to expand to use two years to expand to 20 teams.
     
  23. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I missed notifications on this thread for a few days and just caught up. I just want to tip my hat to those of you who slapped down that ridiculous capitalist church comment, with particular praise for the poster who quoted de Tocqueville in the process.
     
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  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They were exclusively college players up until 2002.
     
  25. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's even more problematic for smaller clubs who's players have to take a day off work some of whom have been reduced to using gofundme.com to raise money for airline travel.
     
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