The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Agreed.

    However, the teams do have to put money into a performance bond and demonstrate the ability to be financially viable over the course of 5 seasons.

    The net worth requirement is meant to ensure that leagues aren't dishing out franchises to all-and-sundry. Though given NASL's predicament, you might argue that the requirement isn't stringent enough.
     
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  2. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I'm not normally one to invoke FIFA but if a team met the reqs, was designated as D1 and didn't get the same opportunity to qualify for the CCL, I have to think they'd get involved.

    We've seen recent precedent in India and Australia for example.
     
  3. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    See my response above.

    MLS gets 3. Supporters Shield, MLS Cup, Conference winner.

    Currently every team that enters the Open Cup also technically has a chance.

    Edit: in fact, if the USSF wanted to give MLS the best chance of occupying all the berths, it might be better to just make qualification be exclusively via the USOC.
     
  4. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Nations League is a national team competition, so probably not.
     
  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My point here is that an open pyramid outside of MLS is perfectly possible with an indefinite amount of money, coordination and will.

    Let's fantasize there is a NASL style USL breakaway with a D2 designation. That league could potentially grow into a D1.

    And teams that did form a breakaway league would be in a far better position than MLS was in 1996, or even 2006, with soccer specific stadiums and an existing fan base.

    Stadiums alone:

    Tampa Bay: 7,500 expandable to 18,000
    Louisville*: 11,300 expandable
    Phoenix: 6,200 expandable to 20,000+
    Las Vegas*: 8,000 seated (expandable?)
    Sacramento: 11,569 (city support for new stadium)
    North Carolina: 10,000 expandable
    San Antonio: expandable to 18,000+
    *construction/conversion underway

    Then you have Indy, Detroit, St Louis, San Diego and Chicago USL as potential teams, plus a number of ambitious owners elsewhere.

    That could be a very competitive league. But before anyone could consider anything as ambitious and costly as that, people have to stop banging their head against the single-entity.
     
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  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rochester win the USOC in 1999. It can be done.

    Mind you I don't think it was very strong that year. Charleston beat Staten Island in the quarters.
     
  7. Expansion Franchise

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I meant CONCACAF League, I got the names mixed up.
     
  8. Expansion Franchise

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I don't disagree with any of this. I just think it's unlikely to include $50 millionaires.
     
  9. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It should be noted that the USSF reqs a re subject to change and they haven't had much issue granting waivers when deemed reasonable.

    I sincerely believe that if a team had all its other ducks in a row and could demonstrate strong business performance and long-term viability, USSF would have little issue with waiving the net worth requirement.
     
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most of the owners of the existing USL clubs I mentioned are worth north of $50 million.
     
  11. Expansion Franchise

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I thought we were talking about the specifics of the PLS.
     
  12. Ehh?
    Suppose I put up a competing D1 league in the Netherlands and I want to list the champion for the CL and the UEFA refuses, I cannot see what FIFA can do about that.
     
  13. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The situation in the US would differ because the KNVB would likely behave differently from the USSF. UEFA has the right to refuse if your competing league is not sanctioned by the KNVB, and I can't picture the KNVB sanctioning a second D1 league. But in the US, the USSF has stated that it is legally obligated to sanction any league at D1 level that meets its D1 standards. There can be more than one USSF sanctioned D1 league. If USSF sanctions a second D1 league but doesn't give that league a path to CONCACAF competitions, FIFA can certainly intervene.
     
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  14. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Just as the second D1 league could "intervene" legally if denied CONCACAF CL spots. In that instance, the USSF could be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
     
  15. kinznk

    kinznk Member

    Feb 11, 2007
    Are concacaf champions league spots that prestigious or lucrative that MLS would fall on the sword of dividing their ccl slots with a rival league. I think competing for market shares with a rival who has implemented pro/rel would be the bigger worry.
     
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  16. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CCL slots for the second D1 league are filed under "We'll figure it out if we ever need to."
     
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  17. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    #16967 M, Sep 17, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2018
    Or filed under "We'll do what we can to prevent it by continuing to have a conflict of interest with MLS through the SUM deal".
     
  18. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It would largely be the same situation.

    The Australian and Indian examples I referred to each involved FIFA getting involved due to "rival" groups taking umbrage.

    I don't see much reason to suspect that USSF wouldn't grant co-D1s the same amount of berths, or at least the same path.
     
  19. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Much like "what if a team with a primary owner worth less than $40m gets promoted to a D1 league".
     
  20. When Saturday Comes

    Apr 9, 2012
    Calgary
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    A 32-36 team MLS D1 competing for market share against a D1 league who sheds its bottom 2 or 3 clubs every year is not a worry.
     
  21. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Not a worry to whom?
     
  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And these requirements would have enabled NASL to gain the D1 ranking they so craved.

    Hosted by their own petard.
     
  23. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  24. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England

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