The Adventures in Policing Thread Part II

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  1. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    Haven't been following the Joesph Deangelo case closely other than reading a few headlines here and there...but stumbled on this article and figured it this is the place...(I'm sure there is a better place)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/us/golden-state-killer-case-joseph-deangelo.html

    To solve a decades-old serial rape and murder case that had gone cold, investigators used DNA gathered at a crime scene and created a fake profile and pseudonym on a genealogy website several months ago, according to law enforcement officials.

    ...

    It is unknown if investigators used more than one genealogy site.
     
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  2. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    There should be more cops like Det. Joe Soares of the Newark PD:

    During the ceremony Detective Joe Soares was named the 2018 Purple Heart Recipient. Soares told TAPInto Newark that he was ecstatic to be given the award and that he had no idea it was coming.

    "I feel terrific,” said Soares. “It’s a great day.”

    Soares was shot once in the chest while executing a narcotics search warrant. A police officer for 17 years and member of the SWAT team for 13 years, Soares did not return fire despite the harm that befell him. Soares said there was a child sleeping in a room inside the premises.

    A humble Soares said he responded exactly the way he was supposed to based on his training and that he simply did his job. Soares said he had good days and bad days since he was shot and that the day it happened seemed like any other up until being shot once in the left side of his chest. The protective gear he was wearing saved his life.

    On Friday, Soares posed for photos and spoke with residents, other officers, and officials who congratulated and thanked him.

    https://www.tapinto.net/towns/newar...ark-police-officers-honored-for-bravery-valor
     
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  3. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
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    Wouldn't it be better not to have a SWAT raid if you know there are children present?
     
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  4. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
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    They were supposed to round them up and turn them over to ICE for safekeeping...
     
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  5. superdave

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    Thanks Gloomy Gus.
     
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  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Yeah I don't know the protocols. But Newarks a rough town. Perps smash into cop cars regularly (a Newark tradition) and the cops show a lotta restraint in most cases
     
  7. roby

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    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Well, to be fair, the light had turned green and he was just sitting there! :oops:
     
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  8. HerthaBerwyn

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    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
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  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    Jul 23, 2004
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    Even for the US - this is truly amazing

    The use of the arrest warrant to establish a bare narrative, uncorroborated

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  10. Auriaprottu

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    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
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    --other--
    She will not go to prison.
     
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  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
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    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    I cannot for the life of me understand how she was not charged with murder

    Manslaughter makes no sense given she intentionally shot the guy
     
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  12. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    If you did what she did, the cops would have shot you when they responded to the call. Then the DA would charge you with second-degree murder, if you were still alive. And then you would be convicted.
     
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  13. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    I'm going to have to drop the Obvious Bomb here:

    Because she's a (white) cop and the victim is black.
     
  14. Auriaprottu

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    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
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    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    You haven't spent much time in the land of the free and the home of the Braves, apparently.
    #LetsRoll #SoProudToBeCountedAmongYall
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

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    Belgium
    I get that part but how is the charge legally possible?

    The correct charge is murder, and if her defence of mistake flies, then she would either be acquitted or (if the mistake was not reasonable) she would be found guilty of manslaughter

    I can't understand a charge of manslaughter which pre-determines mistake as to the self defence aspect

    On a manslaughter charge the only question left is whether the mistake was reasonable, not whether it was genuine.

    So in other words

    Defence is putative self defence - i.e. I believed I was acting in self defence but I was mistaken about the actual circumstances

    Charge of murder:

    1. Was belief genuine? If yes - cannot be murder

    2. Was belief reasonable?

    If yes - acquited

    if no - then manslaughter - i.e culpable homicide via a negligent mistake

    A charge of manslaughter assumes that she did in fact go to the wrong house

    That is staggering.
     
  16. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
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    DC United
    Seems to me the correct charge is murder and the lesser included offense of manslaughter. Then the prosecution has both bases covered in case it turns out against all odds that it was a legitimate mistake. Some states don't allow this, but IIRC Texas does.
     
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  17. HerthaBerwyn

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    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    The first function of the Process is to protect its own.
     
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  18. roby

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    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    I remember watching Warren Spahn and Johnny Sain pitching at the home of the Braves. :thumbsup:
     
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  19. Auriaprottu

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    Apr 1, 2002
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    --other--
    Not that home, man. The REAL one, in Atlanta...
     
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  20. roby

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    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Ah...yes. Hanoi Jane's team! :sick:
     
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  21. Auriaprottu

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    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
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    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    You're better than that. It was Outrageous Ted's team!
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I can only reply from general principles but usually a murder charge allows the prosecution to plead manslaughter in the alternative
     
  23. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    Yeah, back int he day when I was young and skinny and fit and could run for 90 minutes I used to run the steps of that stadium. Or what is still left of it. The right field Pavilion of Braves Field is still there. At the time the place was built it was the biggest ballpark in the country, holding a massive 45,000 people. It wasn't until Yankee Stadium was built in 1923 (and the Polo Grounds expanded the same year) that it was overtaken.
     
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  24. roby

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    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    My bad. My Sis [R.I.P.] was a Navy Chief during the Vietnam skirmish and it was fortunate that she never crossed paths w/Jane else she would have needed bail money. :coffee:
     
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  25. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    Here is another pudknocker in trouble for revealing his hidden venom.

    Rangel.jpg

    ...and now is the time on Sprockets when we dance!

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