The Adventures in Policing Thread Part II

I suspect that it is closer to true than you realize. And I feel sure that even if a slight majority of us give a ********, for most it is a little, clear your throat and squeak into a general indifference kind of ********, not a big booming "you mustn't do that" civil rights/viet nam era kind of ********.

And some of us from that era live so far from the action that there's no one to boom at that can make any material difference. We boom at other injustices closer to home that we can be more effective against.

 

It would be interesting to know if there ARE any studies of attitudes about these things.

Maybe Brummie or someone else has some data?

 

Yes.

 

We don't have an Incarceration thread. This will fit here better than anywhere else.

...in White County, Tennessee the quickest way to get your sentence reduce is to become sterile real quick, per an ABC15 report. For the small price of a free vasectomy, male inmates can get a whole 30 days removed from their sentence. Not to be left out, women can also receive time off if they receive a Nexplanon implant in their arm which will prevent pregnancies for up to four years. Since the program was instituted, county officials claim 32 women have gotten the Nexplananon implant and 38 men are in line to get a vasectomy procedure performed.

https://amp.pastemagazine.com/artic...w-price-of-a-vasectomy-tennessee-inmates.html

 

From the article's conclusion....

"On Wednesday, the ACLU released a statement on the matter expressing similar concerns:"

Offering a so-called ‘choice’ between jail time and coerced contraception or sterilization is unconstitutional. Such a choice violates the fundamental constitutional right to reproductive autonomy and bodily integrity by interfering with the intimate decision of whether and when to have a child, imposing an intrusive medical procedure on individuals who are not in a position to reject it. Judges play an important role in our community – overseeing individuals’ childbearing capacity should not be part of that role.
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"It’s pretty difficult to see how any of this would be justifiable—or even indeed legal."

 

This sounds uncomfortably close to eugenics.

 

I mean, I can see the problem. But I don't think the solution should be the correct answer to the question, "what would the Nazis do?"

 

Actually, that's all I was saying. That 'most people' will feel sympathy so the 'they don't give a feck' statement is an overstatement. AP said almost as much when he said the guy was a bit OTT. As to the general point that people feel more likely to feel sympathy by harm coming to someone they associate with... who's arguing?!... I'm not.

I suppose I'm a bit nervous about this stuff when we've had numerous claims that recent votes, (the 2015 GE, the 2016 EU referendum and the 2017 GE), were DEFINITELY, 'a vote for this', or, 'a vote for that'.

Regarding the 2017 GE I've been told, variously, that people only voted labour because they felt SURE labour wouldn't win and, also, that people DIDN'T vote labour because they felt sure labour wouldn't win. Well, they can't BOTH be right.

Those are elections where votes can be counted. We're talking about how somebody feels about how some other group feels.

 

?? They can't? I am quite sure that there were people here who voted for Trump because they were sure he couldn't win and people who voted for him because they were sure he would. Not the same people, of course, but they both helped to produce the result. Are you leaving out an "only" or something?

 

Hang on... they voted for him DESPITE the fact they thought he'd win anyway so their vote was a waste of time? How does that work then?

Anyway... er... yeah. I think you're right

Two opposite reasons are being given for the same thing happening was meant to be my point

 

If his point was about 'understanding' then saying he doesn't give a feck about somebody else being killed seems facetious, at best, or actually counterproductive, (as you said), at worst.

But it struck me more as a cry of rage, frankly.

To be fair, anger has it's place in political and social discourse so I haven't got a problem with it as such.

 

Fatigue from dealing with JAQ/engineers set in yet?

 

You seem determined to try and cause a disagreement even though none exists AFAIK so I'll leave it there.

 

"This is the third time it's happened, chief, and that's one time too many. You need to step down".

 

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/cob...top-we-only-kill-black-people-right/600704431

Got a joke? Keep it in your thong. Might not be a slap on the wrist next time. Or it might, given the climate.

 

Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke has resigned. My guess is he is signed on as a Fox News contributor and gets fired trying to deny everyone in the studio access to water....or sexual harassment since it's Fox News.

EDIT - Since I'm on the topic, there is one semi-serious question that has always been on my mind. How cowboy is Milwaukee? He is always wearing a cowboy hat but was born and raised in Milwaukee. My mother in-law's family is from the Appleton/Green Bay area and I really don't picture that area as steeped in cow-poke culture.

 

Hes a cowboy in the same way Joe Buck was a cowboy. Clarke is from Peewaukee. Hes the Peewaukee Cowboy. Really, follow the plot:

As the film opens, Joe Buck (David Clarke), a tough taking lawman working as a local official, dresses in new cowboy clothing, packs a suitcase and quits his job. He heads to New York City, hoping to succeed as a Fox News contributor. Initially unsuccessful, he succeeds in bedding a well-to-do middle-aged New Yorker (Donald Trump), but Joe ends up giving her money after she ends up lashing out at him when he requests payment.

I guess he won the Drunk-Uncle Sheriff role at Fox. Joe Arpaio got Wally Pipped.

 

It's more right-wing cosplay of the sort we saw in Charlottesville.

 

Utah cop roughs up a nurse who won't violate the Constitution by taking a blood sample from an unconscious man -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...her-for-doing-her-job/?utm_term=.191e40590b1a

Big man, pushing that nurse against a wall. Big big man.

He should be fired, then jailed. Or the reverse order. Of course, nothing much will happen to him. ********ing cops. I'm an older white guy who lives in the burbs, and even I don't trust them to do right. Can only imagine what the people whom cops truly don't like think about them.

While we're at it, take away their guns. They'd be a lot more polite without those guns make them feel as if they have two penises. And they'd kill a lot fewer people, too.

 

I came across an aricle about a company that trains cops in MMA fighting. My first thought was "???????"

But the article made the point that cops get almost no training in self defense/non-lethal attack techniques. In the words of one cop, it's "one week at the academy. Just enough to make sure you get hurt if you try it." But the idea is to give them options that won't result in shooting somebody. And it sounds like a good idea.

Until some asshat like detective Jeff Payne tries to cartwheel kick a nurse