The Adventures in Policing Thread Part II

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  1. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Sounds about right. Give people the chance to do something very stupid, some will seize the moment.

    I know that the police will never agree, but you'll have a hard time convincing me that arming everyday police (as opposed to specialists, to be called in only for special circumstances) with handguns makes this country safer.
     
  2. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    It doesn't. The sad thing is that tragic incidents like this are pretty much inevitable when armed police interact with a public who they have to assume are also armed.
     
  3. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
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    --other--
    I don't know what happened. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he'd never have jeopardized his career by profiling and killing a White female.
    I could be wrong, tho.
     
  4. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    The guy was the first Somali officer in the state of Minnesota ... Jackie Robinson he was not.
     
  5. VincitOmniaVeritas

    Jul 18, 2015
    Northern Virginia
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    Real Madrid
    From what I've read, Mr. Noor shot this women through the drivers car door or window. It is unlikely that he drew his weapon, pointed it at the victim while giving her commands, and accidentally/negligently fired. Chances are the drawing and discharge of the weapon was done in one deliberate motion. Why did he shoot? It will be easier for me to speculate after he is interviewed. My guess is he was poorly trained and felt scared or threatened by the victim approaching the vehicle. At this point I don't believe Mr. Noor acted with malice or felt he was above the law.

    A few questions I would like answered.

    What dumbass thought it was a good idea to send these two officers out on patrol together when they have less than 3 years of combined experience?

    What is the Minneapolis Police Departments policy on wearing body cameras? What is the punishment for violating this policy? Are officers trained in the use of body cameras? If so, how much?

    First in his Precinct.
     
  6. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Apparently, I was misinformed.
     
  7. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    That's a possibility I suppose but, if it's true there was a firework display, (I'm sure I read that), is it also not possible that he was maybe intending to exit the vehicle with his weapon drawn as he thought shots had been fired and, as you suggest, accidentally discharged it.

    I dunno... it's really strange. :cautious:
     
  8. Moishe

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    Mar 6, 2005
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    Noor fired from the passenger seat through the drivers side door/window. This chump could've easily shot his partner
     
  9. Auriaprottu

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    Apr 1, 2002
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    Put away your slide rules and measuring instruments, gentleJAQs, and be comforted. THIS cop is prison-bound.
     
  10. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator
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    Aug 8, 2000
    San Carlos, CA
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    Gosh, I wonder what's different about this case from all the others, that makes the police chief step down and the officer will for sure face murder charges? I wonder what it could be?
     
  11. crazypete13

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    The Australian government is involved.
     
  12. soccernutter

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    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    You man Jackie Robinson was a nice, quiet, peaceful Black man? Please, learn what he did on the field. He was not Ty Cobb sharpening his cleats before a game, but he used some of the same tactics. Best you lean this stuff before you consider him docile. The difference is that the White person in power over his employment supported him. Not so for Noor...which makes this messy situation messier.
     
  13. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
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    Oh America...that's why I avoid going nowadays :D

    More likely to get kill by a cop than a gangster lol
     
  14. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Isn't that the point, though? That he shouldn't be if it's an accident?

    I suppose it would be considered 'reckless endangerment', (or whatever it's called), NOT to have his firearm in a safe state before he means to shoot at something/someone but, even so...
     
  15. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    The point is that he's going to prison.
     
    dapip and soccernutter repped this.
  16. Belgian guy

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    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
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    I thought this was worth sharing in here. Depending on your individual POV, it might be a bit of a brutal read. But I think the sentiment expressed in that piece is important.
     
  17. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    He makes a lot of claims about how other people think and feel although, tbf, he's got some evidence for his statements.
     
  18. soccernutter

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    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Two issues with the article - not giving a ******** is counter productive because it ignores the general trend by police to use more aggressive and military tactics even during peaceful protests, and removes the possibility of understanding by the police why people act/react they way they do. Second, there is a fluctuation between "some" White people and all White people which makes the article unclear on that POV, and suggests that if we don't have the names mentioned in the article of Black women and girls killed by police, we are somehow not that interested/invested. That said, and as Auria has pointed out, this issue is that a Black man killed a White woman. And that the Black man is Muslim only makes it worse for the overall. That the Black man is (was?) a police officer is a distraction to how the justice system is likely to work.
     
  19. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Aug 22, 2001
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    There has been a plethora of evidence posted in the various threads over the years that the claims he is making are accurate. The latest batch of examples are how the opioid crisis is suddenly making White people realize that drug addiction is not something that someone can just stop. Ask the Black community and they will have known this for decades. (As well as addiction counselors.)
     
  20. Auriaprottu

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    #3621 Auriaprottu, Jul 22, 2017
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    His writing's a bit OTT, but his assessment of White apathy in the face of brutality toward POCs is accurate. Nobody much gave a shit until Olivia Newton-John stopped a round. Can't say I have any sympathy myself for the Damond family. Maybe I should. Whatever.

    Oh, BTW, the chief stepped down, and crunchy hipster activists are now petitioning for the mayor's head as well. Should never have given some black Muslim a badge. Won't happen again.
     
  21. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
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    Atlanta
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    --other--
    Not giving a ******** is the result of White folks thinking melanin is counterproductive.

    Police don't need to understand anything about me. They have the badge and the gun.
     
  22. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    Atlanta
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    --other--
    #3623 Auriaprottu, Jul 22, 2017
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    Come live here. You'll have a bit more of a clue and fewer questions for this forum. Or maybe not.
     
  23. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    I think-- from the vantage of my White Privilege-- that that had more to do with the third incident in a short time. :barefoot:

    But I'm aware that it happened after the white one, not before. :sick:
     
  24. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    He said that 'most white people, (by which I took him to mean 'more than 50%), don't 'give a feck', (his statement), that a 7 year old black girl was killed whilst asleep on a couch.

    I suspect that's not true.

    I think it more likely they're a just of pussies who shit themselves every time they see a black dude but who then recoil in horror at the outcome of that fear, such as a 7 y/o getting shot, asleep on a couch.
    Well, it's certainly true that things get lost in translation. I can't deny that. But the fella's making claims about how a mass of people 'feel' and that's always risky.
     

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