The 2019 MLS TV thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by POdinCowtown, Dec 19, 2018.

  1. RfrancisR

    RfrancisR Member+

    Aug 7, 2006
    New Orleans Diaspora
    Really, I never understood why MLS and the networks ever thought this was a good time slot. Who goes head-to-head with the NFL? Not even the established big sports ever do that. You know why no one breaks into NFL coverage to give the latest NBA score?

    Well, duh! Just bone-headed by ABC/ESPN.
     
  2. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    We seem to always have some kind of excuse for why our league isn't popular. At some point we just have to slow down and say... the league just isn't that popular.
     
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  3. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So when would you have had the game?
     
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  4. RfrancisR

    RfrancisR Member+

    Aug 7, 2006
    New Orleans Diaspora
    #929 RfrancisR, Nov 12, 2019
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    1.560,000 on the first Saturday one week after the CFB conference championships were over. That was one of the highest English language MLS Cups ever.

    It’s absolutely ridiculous to do what no other sports league in the US is willing to do and that’s to put on an event opposite of the NFL. No one does that. They don’t even schedule World Series games opposite the NFL. So, maybe take a hint from the second and third most popular sports in the US and don’t schedule the MLS Cup against NFL games.

    On Twitter I suggested a Friday prime time MLS Cup. While it’s true that Friday nights are usually bad for TV, Fridays haven’t. relatively speaking, been bad for MLS.

    In fact, the record breaking audience for the El Trafico playoff match was on a Friday. Friday audiences tend to equal or beat other MLS games. In fact, I think all English language MLS broadcasts should be moved to Friday once the NFL preseason starts. There is very little competition on Friday. The major CFB conferences never have games scheduled on Fridays. It’s the one open day on the calendar in the fall with the exception of the occasional NBA or MLB.

    I can’t begin to understand the thinking behind putting MLS Cup against the NFL when, literally, nobody else does it.
     
  5. RfrancisR

    RfrancisR Member+

    Aug 7, 2006
    New Orleans Diaspora
    You really have to learn the difference between reasons and excuses.
    Name one major sports league that puts its games against the NFL. Name one. When you realize the answer is zero, try figuring out why.
     
  6. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The NBA had eight games yesterday and six games tonight. Not the same as a final, though.
     
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  7. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    The NBA? The NHL? Stop trying to spin and try to live in the real world.
     
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  8. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So go back to extending the season a month and dealing with the international breaks in the middle of the playoff run. Pass.

    Game 5 this season was on a NFL Sunday. Also on this past Sunday were 8 NBA and 7 NHL games. So literally every other major pro league schedules against the NFL.

    But you are asking ABC/FOX to give up prime-time ratings during sweeps month. Or going back to ESPN/FS1. And as a Pac-12 fan I can tell you everyone hates the fact that the Pac-12 Championship is on a Friday night because its a dead night and nobody watches or goes to the game (though it is a neutral site game).

    Except the Pac-12 plays a Friday night game most weeks, last Friday I watched my Dawgs beat Oregon State.

    Except everyone does, and the reason is ratings.

    Listen, Friday isn't a horrible idea, but its hard to take the suggestion seriously when you're throwing out ideas without even accounting for the reasons the game is on Sunday now (namely, available time slots the networks are willing to give up at a decent time).
     
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  9. RfrancisR

    RfrancisR Member+

    Aug 7, 2006
    New Orleans Diaspora
    8 games on national tv against the NFL. Please show me your source?
     
  10. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "National TV" wasn't in your previous goalposts about leagues not playing at the same time as the NFL. But every Thursday TNT has a national TV NBA doubleheader opposite the NFL Thursday night game.
     
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  11. RfrancisR

    RfrancisR Member+

    Aug 7, 2006
    New Orleans Diaspora
    #936 RfrancisR, Nov 12, 2019
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    Because normal human being can read things in context of a discussion and know by that context what the heck is being discussed without qualifications. Are you that special that when clearly we are talking about nationally televised events that you need a qualification to understand what’s going on here? It’s not goal posts that’s moved. I didn’t realize you were so special that you needed to a qualification that we were talking nationally televised events to know we were talking nationally televised events.

    So, let me hold your hand through this:

    the NFL broadcasts were nationally televised broadcasts. The MLS Cup was a nationally televised broadcast. So, when I mentioned in this context that no other sports league puts significant events on TV head-to-head with NFL, the significant event was a reference to what...

    (a) the hot weather outside

    (b) a local broadcast

    (c) a national broadcast.

    Hint: As every first grader knows the answer isn’t A or B. Because local broadcasts are not considered by anyone as competitition to nationally broadcast games. That’s why when you look up the ratings at Showbuzz, you don’t see ratings for events that were only broadcasted locally.
     
  12. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Yeah, you COULD just go on talking bullshit, or you can just admit you were wrong and move on with your life.
     
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  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I streamed the game so I guess I wasn't counted.

    I didn't go to a bar because the Jets and Giants were playing in the Toilet Bowl.
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A big difference between soccer and other major sports is that a soccer game only lasts 105 minutes (including half-time). An entire match can fit in two quarters of a NFL game. If a NFL and NBA game overlap you can watch one in full then flick over and watch the climax of the other.

    Also it's continuous and low scoring. So if you only flick over during commercial breaks you can miss all the important action. That's not very satisfying. Alternatively, how many points can a NBA team score in 3 minutes?
     
  15. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You were wrong. Both in your initial claim of "no league schedules against the NFL" and in your goalpost moving "nobody schedules national tv against the NFL". As shown with the NBA contract on Thursday nights and the World Series game 5. So until you admit that there's no point in further discussion.
     
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  16. Frankball

    Frankball Member+

    Sep 11, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  17. RfrancisR

    RfrancisR Member+

    Aug 7, 2006
    New Orleans Diaspora
    #942 RfrancisR, Nov 12, 2019
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    OOH MLS Cup on ABC had 418k. The total for ABC of 1241. Add in Univision and the total audience was 1,688,000. The total peak on ABC was at 1,677.
     
  18. RfrancisR

    RfrancisR Member+

    Aug 7, 2006
    New Orleans Diaspora
    Univision said the total reach for MLS Cup on their networks was 2.8 million.

     
  19. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why are we looking at 2016 numbers then?
     
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  20. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would be interested to see what the Canadian numbers were. The last 2 times Toronto and Sounders met, the Canadian numbers were on par, or better than the US English numbers.
     
  21. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to their numbers, more people watch in English than Spanish, but they get there by combining Fox and ESPN, we know FS does the worse of the 3.

    The do link to another article for the answer.

    https://worldsoccertalk.com/2019/10/03/mls-tv-ratings-problem-named-fox-soccer/
     
  22. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Liga MX?
     
  23. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Their conclusion is Bullshit IMO.

    Is not like Bundesliga is growing its TV ratings, it is the opposite, Spanish Liga is in BeIngoodluckfindingaprovidorsports

    Liga MX is on cable TV so ratings are lower than when they were in over the air TV.

    Even the EPL is not growing laps and bounds.
     
  24. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1.27 total, out of that 823 was ABC, So Univision and Canada split the other 447 or so. If the math is correct, if Canada did well, it would mean Spanish TV did bad (and viseversa).
     
  25. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where are you getting 1.27 total for both US and Canada? From what I've seen, the 1.27m total is a combination of ABC and Spanish language. I also don't believe it includes OOH.
     

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