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  1. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    still waiting for people who harp on about this yes man nonsense to explain what will be gained if he becomes a "no" man. where is the benefit for anyone?

    he gets fired and then what? we start over yet again? and with who exactly? going by that logic SAF was a yes man too. it's a nonsense argument. there are enough ex players and legends lambasting the owners and Woodward already and it makes no difference.

    adding one more won't get rid of them
     
  2. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    SAF spotted at Carrington ahead of the game vs Pool.
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  3. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Lots of current season issues discussed in here, with some good points.

     
  4. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    is he a decent s media personality over there? he seems to have enough links to get fairly big names on his channel
     
  5. MizzouMUFC

    MizzouMUFC Member+

    Apr 10, 2010
    Places
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    He has a lot of connections with former players and MUFC staff. He doesn’t get inside news from the club or anything but he lands some decent interviews. A lot of his videos are postgame whining but when he gets a decent guest the video are pretty good.
     
  6. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    This right there shows once more why numbers and stats not taken in their proper context can be pretty insignificant. Looking at this graph, it would be easy to make a rock solid argument that Ole must get time, almost no matter what, because Klopp did no better in the same amount of games.
    It's not showing of course that Klopp did not go on a steep downward spiral the way Ole has after his great start. He did not persist with choices (tactical or with players) that are not only off but just plain wrong. Even in the first 2 seasons where he looked like he was struggling, Klopp gave the club and the fans something to hold onto, to believe that better days are ahead. Particularly once properly reinforced.
    From that perspective, I'm fine with giving Ole a little more time (end of the season) because: A- There is no viable replacement available (as of yet) and therefore B- It should be enough to see, at the very least, if there is any kind of progress or upward trend, not only in terms of our style but also in results.
    We may still be in the running for trophies and CL could still be attainable via the EL backdoor, but realistically at this time, the season looks all but over already. Unless Ole somehow manages to course correct and get the team back closer to what we saw when he first got the job.
    Short of doing that, we might have to be on the hunt again or a new manager by season's end. No sense in keeping someone in charge at manager, even if the other required changes don't happen (ie structurally), if they're not competent and up to the job on hand. The chances of Woodward stepping down or getting fired are remote, if we're being honest with ourselves. That doesn't mean that managerial changes won't take place if the results are not up to snuff...
     
  7. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
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    Manchester United FC
    Think we should have a party when we hit 40 points :)
     
  8. thenamestsam

    thenamestsam Member+

    Aug 8, 2013
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    Manchester United FC
    Don't you mean if? Currently on pace for 42 after 9 played. Better make it 35 to be safe.
     
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  9. gatekeeper2

    gatekeeper2 Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Jokes about staving off relegation are appropriate at this time, but we are not going to be hovering just above the relegation zone by season's end.

    What seems more likely is that we'll land somewhere between 6th and 10th place as we grind toward the end of the season. That's sufficiently horrific but we really don't need to worry being relegated.

    Ole has to go all out to win the Europa League, as it is our only realistic hope of qualifying for the CL next season. That's going to mean risking dropped points in league play to ensure we're at maximum strength going into EL matches on Thursdays. And our hopes of actually winning the EL are vastly more in doubt if Real get dropped today (they're up at the moment 0-1) and are sent to the EL. Let us pray for a Real win so that we don't have to deal with the prospect of a wounded Spanish animal.
     
  10. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Last time the team has registered an away win (over 7mos!). That win back then was the precursor of our decline. We can only hope this one today will have the same effect but the other way...:cool:
     
  11. Anonymous_United

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Jul 13, 2018
  12. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Fascinating analysis of our issues backed up with hard data

     
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  13. Serengeti_Boy

    Serengeti_Boy Member+

    Sep 15, 2009
    Serengeti, East Africa
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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    Tanzania
    I think Carrick is an awful manager too ig he can't help Ole get better results.
     
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  14. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Carrick is still pretty new in that capacity, so if Ole were to go I'd still look to keep him on in some coaching role (be it with the senior level or with the youth team), for the time being at least to see if he can develop and amount to something.
    Same goes for McKenna: he's shown what he is capable of with the youth teams and there is a good coach there potentially IMO. Certainly would not get rid of him either just yet.
    At the end of the day, if the manager is called into question, then it's just not usually a good reflection on the rest of the staff. That being said, at the end of the day, it's usually the manager and his closest assistant who will end up taking most of the flak.
     
  15. JC7rox

    JC7rox Member+

    Manchester United FC, LAFC
    Jun 11, 2004
    West Coast, Cali!
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    At the end of the day, some wanted to hang Giggsy for the same deal and give Carrick a pass. BS.
     
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  16. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Would have been a bad mistake on both counts. Giggs never proved to be good enough and Carrick is definitely not ready yet to be the main guy.
    Bottom line, if things don't work out with Ole, let's hope that will be a lesson well learned in terms of the quality we require for the job. They may not always work out but there needs to be a minimum level required to manage a club like United.
     
  17. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...d-martial-manchester-united-front-two-norwich

    The pairing we've wanted and could actually have some promise, provided they get a nice, sustained injury free run together. And hopefully one that will be the catalyst for the team scoring more than just one goal/game in the process.
    Pogba does need to come back soon though: he's still the one guy who can really be relied upon for some quality, consistent service to them.
     
  18. gatekeeper2

    gatekeeper2 Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Thanks for the video, but it's hard to take xG seriously as anything more than tarot card reading.

    Looking back now, it's pretty clear the players responded with a "new manager's bounce", which immediately evaporated once his appointment became permanent.

    We all knew that Ole did not have a stellar trophy record when his appointment was made permanent, but most of us felt that what the players needed was a more positive attitude and room to express themselves as professional footballers. While that was true, what was also true is that experience also matters and Ole doesn't have the reservoir of experience he call upon to deal with setbacks. He's getting that experience now and we'll see where we are by season's end, but we may struggle to even land in the top six by the end of the season. He did well to purge Lukaku, Sanchez (still paying most of his wages I think, but whatever) and Smalling and to bring in Maguire, Wan-Bissaka and James, but I wish he had had the foresight to know that Lingard has nothing to offer and that Mata is done -- obvious to us, but it wasn't obvious to him -- and that we really needed a quality 10 if we're going to play a 4231. But here we are and the Ole project is here to stay through the end of the season and we'll see where that gets us. We have only one serious objective this season, which is to quality for the CL next season and there's only two ways to get there -- top four in the PL or win the EL. It looks like we're going to have win the EL, amigos.
     
  19. Anonymous_United

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Jul 13, 2018
    Lets hope we win against Norwich tomorrow... EL is far fetched..
     
  20. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Time to change this;

     
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  21. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    McTominay's goal is United 2000th in the Premier League.
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  22. Anonymous_United

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Jul 13, 2018
    1k goal by ronaldo goal was in a 4-1 defeat .. VDS was very poor that day..
     
  23. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First team to reach the 2k mark btw: Arsenal second with 1,858, Liverpool 1,795, Chelsea 1,789, Tottenham 1,562, Man City 1,403, Everton 1,365.
    Pretty ironic and a reminder of how potent we used to be. With the goalscorers we used to have alone, it's not much of a surprise.
     
  24. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
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    Manchester United FC
     
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