The 2018 MLS TV Thread

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  1. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Dude are you joking? When the entire rating is the size of a rounding error, percent increases are not relevant. You are telling me about single digit percent increases??? lol
     
  2. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Oh yeah, and NBC has gone on record saying they are losing money on the EPL. Don't expect to see it on NBC for long.
     
  3. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #853 eddygee, Oct 16, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2018
    Thats not a rounding error rounding error doesn't mean what you think it does. I've never heard of a 7% rounding error. Also you do realize you are debating a fictional point as the 258k number he used was wrong as me and Paul have pointed out. He should've have used the mean FOX average which was 644k, which leads to a higher rating regardless thus making your point you are trying to make irrelevant.

    None of these hypothetical situations actually happened. The rating was MUCH higher and will be. Even the hypothetical situations lead to a higher rating. The CORRECT one and the INCORRECT you are going on about lol:rolleyes:. So who's joking again??
     
  4. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Word salad....
    The MLS rating on ESPN/FS1 that they are literally rounding errors. The Nielsen rating system is very very inaccurate, so when they report something like 150k, it could be 200k, it could be 100k, probably could be 10 people as well.
     
  5. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #855 eddygee, Oct 16, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2018
    Again rounding errors don't mean what you think and if you wanna die on that hill everything you said about Nielsen or rounding errors can be applied to every Major Pro league in the US not named the NFL/MLB. So what's your point other than you made statements that weren't true and can't or won't acknowledge it. It's cool I suppose we are on the same team and want MLS to thrive, but in this thread we have to try to keep the facts straight.
     
  6. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #856 eddygee, Oct 16, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2018
    I expect to see Bundesliga off of FOX way before EPL, thats if anything actually happened with EPL on NBC. I don't think it will. A number of things go into NBC losing money on EPL, the time slot and money they pay EPL per season $167 mil.
    EPL is on during the worst ad time you can have early Sat/Sun morning. There is a reason networks run cheap infomercials during the late overnight early am hours. They don't expect to sell alot of ad time to generate revenue so they go with very cheap programming. So with that said the EPL is filling that time slot and its compounded by the fact that they are paying EPL $167 mil per yr.

    That was the whole reason NBC Premier League Gold was created was to recoup those losses. It's a catch 22 though if they taped delayed games and ran them later they'd run into the ESPN/FSC problem of about a decade ago those games suffered lower ratings because they'd run up against US sports competition.
     
  7. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Wow, you are REALLY bad at this arguing your point thing... Perhaps you should concede before you embarrass yourself further.
     
  8. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lol I see you're self projecting again. You should take the moment to discern someone agreeing with points and not agreeing with the whole statement. I agree NBC said they were losing money on EPL heck I was the one that posted that info here when the NBC exec said it. I don' agree that EPL won't be on NBC much longer. I do think if there is any league that won't be on TV much longer it's Bundesliga with FOX, due to anemic ratings.

    Talk about embarrassing one's self. You are too busy trying to argue you missed the point it wasn't hard to see. Someone can agree with you on a point but not the wider argument. I don't see NBC getting rid of EPL, that's sort of a hot take, @crookeddy
     
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  9. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The networks have been saying the same exact thing about the NFL for at least a generation. Yet every few years the same networks give the NFL an even bigger deal than before.
    Most live sports "lose money" and have been for ages.
     
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  10. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well the question is how much is ABC paying for those X-games.

    If MLS can get get 525K for that time slot how much more should ABC pay for the additional 100K ratings? or how much for an extra 200K?

    I have no clue, but perhaps the rights to the X-game programing is relatively cheap.
     
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  11. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    I'm pretty sure that ESPN owns the X-Games. So that is an in-house deal for them. ABC/ESPN isn't really paying anything to carry them other than production costs. The ad sales are almost all profit.

    It is similar to all those minor college football bowl games that ESPN carries. They now own the bowl games out-right so they don't have any rights fees. They sell sponsorships and ads but don't pay any rights fees. It is a completely different economic model than sports or events that they have to pay rights fees on.
     
  12. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good point never looked at it that way.
     
  13. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I see your point it's a good debate but I'd play devil's advocate and say MLS has averaged 670k on FOX the past two years since FOX started broadcasting games.
    MLS also has 50% of it's TV audience falling in the Nielsen 18-49 target demo with most likely a larger share of that 50 % falling in the 18-34 demo goldmine.
    X-GAMES on the other hand only has 20% of it's audience share falling in the 18-49% range. Who knew so many 50+s people liked extreme sports:laugh:. Most likely it the die hard Tony Hawk generation of the 90's those mid-20/30s somethings still watch. I think its at best a break even with MLS production giving the higher potential reward.

    https://www.sportsvideo.org/2018/03...uction-innovation-for-its-broadcast-partners/
    Concerning production cost ESPN has implemented at -home production as a cost saving mechanism to cut production cost. They use it with for half of their MLS games.
     
  14. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Open Cup final did NOT do well this year: 136k! Will we ever see it on TV again? 38th most watched soccer program in the last 2 weeks. Beaten soundly by Real Madrid vs Atletico on BeIn (a channel nobody has anymore) and by all but one MLS regular season matches.

    Top 3 highest rated programs? Liga MX matches.
     
  15. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Been a while and since WST posted numbers and some updates to boost in TV rating numbers for earlier MLS matches reported.

    1 9/30 Liga MX América / Chivas Univision: 1677000 1,677,000
    2 10/6 Liga MX Chivas / Pumas Univision: 1089000 1,089,000
    3 10/6 Liga MX Tigres / Club América Univision: 983000 983,000
    4 10/3 UEFA Champions League Spurs / Barcelona TNT: 272000 / Univision: 662000 934,000
    5 10/6 Premier League Man Utd / Newcastle NBC: 789000 789,000
    6 9/29 Premier League Chelsea / Liverpool NBCSN: 524000 / Telemundo: 263000 787,000
    7 9/29 Liga MX Pachuca / Cruz Azul Univision: 539000 / ESPND: 246000 785,000
    8 10/7 Premier League Liverpool / Man City NBCSN: 750000 750,000
    9 10/2 UEFA Champions League CSKA Moskva / Real Madrid Univision: 390000 / UDN: 185000 575,000
    10 9/30 Liga MX Pumas / Puebla Univision: 455000 455,000
    11 10/7 Liga MX Toluca / Pachuca Univision: 402000 402,000
    12 10/7 Premier League Southampton / Chelsea NBCSN: 361000 361,000
    13 10/2 UEFA Champions League Man Utd / Valencia TNT: 234000 / UniMás: 115000 349,000
    14 9/29 MLS Chicago Fire / Los Angeles FC Univision: 283000 / UDN: 63000 346,000
    15 10/6 Premier League Spurs / Cardiff NBCSN: 341000 341,000
    16 9/29 Premier League West Ham / Man Utd NBCSN: 287000 / Unvso: 47000 334,000
    17 9/29 Premier League Man City / Brighton NBCSN: 276000 / Unvso: 52000 328,000
    18 9/29 La Liga Real Madrid / Atlético Madrid beIN: 118000 / beIE: 205000 323,000
    19 10/3 UEFA Champions League PSG / Crvena Zvezda TNT: 128000 / UniMás: 163000 291,000
    20 10/6 Liga MX Cruz Azul / Monterrey UDN: 281000 281,000
    21 10/7 CONCACAF WWCQ Panama / USWNT FS1: 192000 / UDN: 85000 277,000
    22 10/6 MLS Atlanta United / New England Revolution Univision: 276000 276,000
    23 9/30 MLS New York Red Bulls / Atlanta United ESPN: 244000 / ESPND: 19000 263,000
    24 9/29 Liga MX Querétaro / Tigres ESPND: 76000 / UDN: 185000 261,000
    25 9/28 Liga MX Atlas / Toluca UDN: 244000 244,000
    26 9/30 Premier League Cardiff / Burnley NBCSN: 225000 225,000
    27 10/5 Liga MX Veracruz / Necaxa UDN: 213000 213,000
    28 9/30 Liga MX Lobos / Morelia UDN: 211000 211,000
    29 10/6 Liga MX León / Morelia UDN: 204000 204,000
    30 10/7 Liga MX Puebla / Lobos UDN: 193000 193,000
    31 9/29 Liga MX Necaxa / Santos UDN: 189000 189,000
    32 10/7 MLS DC United / Chicago Fire ESPN: 175000 175,000
    33 10/2 UEFA Champions League Hoffenheim / Man City TNT: 143000 / Gala: 31000 174,000
    34 10/5 Liga MX Santos / Atlas UDN: 171000 171,000
    35 10/7 Premier League Fulham / Arsenal NBCSN: 170000 170,000
    36 9/28 Liga MX Veracruz / León UDN: 146000 146,000
    37 10/2 UEFA Champions League Juventus / Young Boys UniMás: 140000 140,000
    38 9/26 US Open Cup Final Houston Dynamo / Philadelphia Union ESPN2: 136000 136,000
    39 9/28 Bundesliga Hertha / Bayern FS1: 69000 / UniMás: 65000 134,000
    40 9/29 Liga MX Monterrey / Tijuana FOXD: 134000 134,000
    41 10/4 CONCACAF WWCQ USWNT / Mexico UDN: 134000 134,000
    42 9/30 MLS Sporting Kansas City / Real Salt Lake FS1: 103000 / FOXD: 28000 131,000
    43 10/4 UEFA Europa League Spartak Moskva / Villarreal UniMás: 131000 131,000
    44 9/26 La Liga Sevilla / Real Madrid beIE: 127000 127,000
    45 9/29 La Liga Barcelona / Bilbao beIN: 30000 / beIE: 94000 124,000
    46 10/6 Bundesliga Dortmund / Augsburg UDN: 91000 91,000
    47 9/30 Bundesliga Frankfurt / Hannover FS1: 48000 / UDN: 41000 89,000
    48 9/29 Premier League Huddersfield / Spurs CNBC: 85000 85,000
    49 9/25 Bundesliga Bayern / Augsburg FS1: 74000 74,000
    50 9/29 Ligue 1 Nice / PSG beIN: 19000 / beIE: 55000 74,000
    51 9/27 CONCACAF League Motagua / Tauro UDN: 70000 70,000
    52 9/27 CONCACAF League Árabe Unido / Herediano UDN: 49000 49,000
    53 9/29 Acenso MX FC Juarez / Zacatepec ESPND: 49000 49,000
    54 9/26 La Liga Leganes / Barcelona beIE: 47000 47,000
    55 9/30 2. Bundesliga Hamburg / St. Pauli FS1: 45000 45,000
    56 10/2 UEFA Champions League Bayern / Ajax Gala: 40000 40,000
    57 10/4 UEFA Europa League Betis / Dudelange UniMás: 33000 33,000
    58 10/4 UEFA Europa League Standart Liège / Akhisar Belediyespor UDN: 32000 32,000
    59 9/27 La Liga Girona / Betis beIE: 30000 30,000
    60 9/29 Bundesliga Schalke / Mainz FS2: 16000 / UDN: 13000 29,000
    61 10/4 UEFA Europa League Milan / Piraeus UDN: 23000 23,000
    62 10/3 UEFA Champions League Lokomotiv Moskva / Schalke Gala: 20000 20,000
    63 10/7 Bundesliga Freiburg / Leverkusen UDN: 19000 19,000
    64 10/4 UEFA Europa League Qarabag / Arsenal Gala: 18000 18,000
    65 10/3 UEFA Champions League Atlético Madrid / Club Brugge Gala: 13000 13,000
    66 10/4 UEFA Europa League Frankfurt / Lazio Gala: 13000 13,000
    67 10/5 Bundesliga Bremen / Wolfsburg UDN: 11000 11,000
    68 10/4 UEFA Europa League Astana / Rennes UDN: 9000 9,000
    SEE MORE: Access our archives of US TV ratings for soccer.

    HT ShowBuzz Daily
     
  16. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    I'm not sure it's legal to paste a whole page like this? Maybe paste a snippet and add a link?
     
  17. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't even know the game was played, who qualified, and don't care enough to look up the result. I'm surprised it didn't keep up with tradition with an Orlando-SJE final.
     
  18. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS TV 2018 TV Ratings

    ESPN Networks FOX Networks Univision Networks

    Week 1

    HOU v ATL 469K UNI March 3 Sat 330pm
    SEA v LAFC 456K ESPN Mar 4 Sun 5pm
    SKC v NYCFC 180K FS1 Mar 4 Sun 730 pm
    LAG v Port 168K FS1 Mar 4 Sun 10pm

    Week2

    ATL v DC 576K ESPN Mar 11 Sun 3pm
    RSL v LAFC 429K UNI Mar 10 Sat 330pm

    Week 3

    NYCFC v OCSC 239k UNI Mar 17 Sat 330pm

    Week 4

    FCD v Portland 198k UniMas Mar 24 Sat 330pm

    Week 5

    OCSC v NYRB 171k UniMas Mar 31 Sat 1pm
    San Jose v NYCFC 115k ESPN2 Mar 31 Sat 8pm
    LAG v LAFC 676K FOX Mar 31 3 pm Sat

    Week 6

    ATL v LAFC ESPN 259k Apr 7 Sat 5pm
    LAG v SKC FS1 229k Apr 8 Sun 9pm
    OCSC v Portland 181k ESPN Apr 8 Sun 4pm

    Week 7

    Phil vs Orlando ESPN 253k Apr 13 Fri 8pm
    Chicago v LAG UNI 341k Apr 14 Sat 330 pm
    ATL UTD v NYCFC FS1 197k Apr 15 Sun 6 pm
    Sporting KC v Seattle ESPN 248k Apr 15 Sun 4 pm

    Week 8

    Seattle v Minnesota ESPN 204k Apr 22 Sun 4 pm
    Portland v NYCFC FS1 152k Apr 22 Sun 6 pm
    NYRB v Chicago UNI 281k Apr 21 Sat 330 pm

    Week 9

    Philly vs DCU Unimas 148k UniMas Sun Apr 28 330pm
    Colorado vs Orlando ESPN 173k Sun Apr 29 4pm
    LAFC vs Seattle FS1 248K Sun Apr 29 9pm

    Week 10

    Toronto FC vs Seattle ?? FS1 Wed 5/9/18/ 730pm**

    LAFC vs FC Dallas 384k UNI Sat 5/5/18 155pm
    NYRB vs NYCFC 334k ESPN Sat 5/5/18 355pm


    Week 11

    FCD vs LAG 395k UNI Sat 5/12/18 330pm
    Port vs Sea 231k ESPN Sun 5/13/18 400pm
    OCSC vs ATL UTD 285k FS1 Sun 5/13/18 600pm
    LAFC vs NYCFC 233k FS1 Sun 5/13/18 830pm

    Week 12

    ATL UTD vs NYRB FS1 176k Sun 5/20/18 700 pm
    CHI vs Houston UniMas 239k Sun 5/20/18 400 pm **
    Portland v LAFC FOX 465K Sat 5/19/18 300 pm

    Week 13

    SKC vs Columbus FS1 144k Sun 5/27/18 600 pm
    Hou vs NYCFC UniMas 281k Fri 5/25/18 855pm
    LAG vs San Jose UDN 328k Fri 5/25/18 1055pm**


    Week 14

    Port vs LAG ESPN2 272k Sat 6/2/18 5 pm
    SKC vs Minn UTD FS1???Sun 6/3/18 830pm

    Week 15

    Columbus vs NYRB ESPN 292k Sat 6/9/18 5 pm

    Week 16

    ATL UTD vs Portland FOX 1.074M Sun 6/24/18 400 pm
    NYRB vs FC Dallas UniMas169K Sat 6/23/18 600 pm**

    Week 17


    SEA vs PORT FOX 1.159M Sat 6/30/18 430 pm
    ATL UTD vs OCSC ESPN 285K Sat 6/30/18 700 pm
    San Jose vs LAG UniMas 276 Sat 6/30/18 1000 pm
    Toronto FC vs NYRB FOX 1.109M Sun 7/1/18 505 pm

    Week 18


    LAFC vs OCFC FS1 127K Sat 7/7/18 1100pm
    NYCFC vs NYRB FS1 ??? Sun 7/8/18 700pm

    Week 19

    ATL UTD vs SEA FOX 1.558M Sun 7/15/18 200pm
    LAFC vs PORT ESPN 253k Sun 7/15/18 600pm

    Week 20

    ATL UTD vs DC United UNI 341K Sat 7/21/18 330pm

    Week 21


    OCFC vs NYCFC ESPN 176K Thur 7/26/18 800pm
    LAFC vs LAG ESPN 291K Thurs 7/26/18 1030pm
    SKC vs FC Dallas ESPN 211K Sat 7/28/18 900pm
    Seattle vs NYCFC ESPN 191K Sun 7/29/18 500pm
    LAG vs Orlando FS1 140K Sun 7/29/18 930pm

    Week 22

    ATL UTD vs Toronto ESPN 207k Sun 8/5/18 400pm
    NYRB vs LAFC FS1 ??? Sun 8/5/18 600pm

    Week 23

    Toronto FC vs NYRB ESPN ??? Sun 8/12/18 400pm

    DC United vs Orlando FS1 ??? Sun 8/12/18 800pm
    Seattle vs FC Dallas FS1 139k Sun 8/12/18 1000pm

    Week 24

    LAFC vs RSL ESPN2 119K Wed 8/15/18 100pm
    Seattle vs LA Galaxy ESPN 239K Sat 8/18/18 730pm
    DCU vs NE Revs FS1 ??? Sun 8/19/18 730pm

    Week 25

    NYCFC vs NYRB FS1 ??? Sun 8/22/18 700pm
    HOU vs FCD UniMas 244k Thurs 8/23/18 900pm
    OCFC vs ATL UTD ESPN 305k Fri 8/24/18 800pm
    LAG vs LAFC ESPN 257k Fri 8/24/18 1030pm
    Portland vs Seattle FS1 235k Sun 8/26/18 930pm
    NYRB vs DC United FS1 168k Sun 8/26/18 700pm

    Week 26


    Seattle vs Sporting KC UniMas 196k 9/1/18 Sat 400pm
    DCU vs ATL UTD FS1 155K Sun 730pm 9/2/18 Sun 730pm

    Week 27

    NYCFC vs DC United UniMas 377k 9/8/18 Sat 455pm
    Colorado vs ATL UTD UNI 290k 9/15/18 Sat 330pm

    Week 28

    Chicago vs OCSC FS1??? 9/16/18 Sun 500pm
    DCU vs NYRB ESPN 216k 9/16/18 Sun 100pm

    Week 29


    San Jose vs ATL UTD UniMas 246k Wed 1100pm
    LAFC vs San Jose 9/22/18 UNI 303k Sat 330pm
    LAG vs Seattle FS1 211k 9/23/18 Sun 700pm
    Philly vs SKC ESPN 184k 9/23/ Sun 100pm

    Week 30

    CHI vs LAFC UNI 346k 9/29/18 Sat 330pm
    NYRB vs ATL UTD ESPN 263k 9/30/18 Sun 100pm
    SKC vs RSL FS1 131k 9/30/18 Sun 500pm

    Week 31

    ATL UTD vs NE Revs UNI 276k 10/6/18 Sat 330pm
    DCU vs CHI ESPN 175k 10/7/18 Sun 100pm



    Total Network Average 309.7k
    Average ESPN Networks 248.8k
    Average Fox Networks 390.1k
    Average Univision Networks 290.3k



    All ratings are sourced from the below sites
    http://www.showbuzzdaily.com (Search MLS or Major League Soccer)

    http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/?s=MLS
    http://worldsoccertalk.com/category/tv-ratings/

    MLS RatingsCapture.JPG
     
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  19. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let's leave the modding to the mods, shall we?
     
  20. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well.. other than saying it’s not legal (it isn’t a crime, after all), he’s not technically wrong. We do require that any copy/pasting be as little of the article as possible, to include a link to the source, and that you provide some analysis along with the quote. ShowBuzz is paying Nielsen a lot of money to get access to those ratings, it isn’t okay to just republish that info here and cut them off from the ad revenue it should be generating for them.
     
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  21. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    *sigh*

    I know all of that...............it was a sarcastic post.............
     
  22. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Ok.
     
  23. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    I don't think he was saying that stuff for your benefit...
     
  24. SilentAssassin

    Apr 16, 2007
    St. Louis
    I'm not sure if this was directed at me or not, but I think I have a decent understanding of math. That was why I pointed out a while ago that the way you come up with a network average by giving equal weight to each network is causing the games on the network with the fewest number of games (FOX) to affect the average more than the other games. Because FOX also gets the biggest ratings, that means that your network average is inflated. Since you are already keeping a spreadsheet with all the games, giving equal weight to each game would be just as easy as the way you are currently calculating it. The fact that you don't do that gives the impression that you are going out of your way to make the ratings look better for MLS than they actually are.

    I know that FOX normally gets better ratings than the cable networks. I pointed that out myself in my post above. If there was no World Cup, would those games have been on FOX? I don't know. That's why I'm not trying to say without the World Cup, ratings would be exactly x. All I said was, the growth would have been a lot smaller, and this year's increase shouldn't be expected every year.

    My point was that it's silly to dump on someone for remarking about one bad game, when 3 good games are causing most of the increase. I think the thread should be about having an honest discussion about MLS tv ratings, not just a place for certain folks to put a pro-MLS spin on things.
     
  25. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Yes, I was talking about you I was being tongue in cheek and cracking a little joke at you. I figured you understood you made a mistake, but since you brought it backup lets discuss.....


    You are overly complicating the matter, the games were scheduled to be on FOX regardless. FOX has been airing about 6 games a yr since they started putting games on BIG FOX in 2016. So I think some of the mix up is maybe you just aren't aware of what the deal is. This isn't any pro-MLS spin, its posting the numbers; they are going up and have done so since the last tv deal was announced in 2014. So if there is going to be "honest" discussion it should include the fact that we are in a period of TV growth and yes there will be games that are subpar, they are discussed when they are and as well if there were any underlying reason for it or if it was just a bad number.

    You came off as if the way the numbers were added is wrong and your way is right/better. Paul and myself tried to point out that your math was wrong. Yet you still don't understand even after it's been explained to you. So NO you didn't have it grasped you were using the wrong set of data for a average and trying to tell me the way I was applying my data was off. The FOX average of 644k is the CORRECT data you should've used and not the combined Network average of 258k. Especially if you were going to use the WHAT IF comparison of not including the ACTUAL post WC game numbers and instead use the regular average those games would've gotten. There is no way anyone can spin these numbers, trying to weight the averages is just ridiculous. This isn't a voting poll of averages, we aren't weighing what set of polls is more reliable. The numbers are what they are que Taylor Twellman.

    I do this stuff for a living btw. The way I came up with the averages is simple MS Excel plug in play. Enter the TV rating for each Network and select auto average of the entered data, you then combine the averages for each network and you get the overall Network average number.


    https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2017/11/20/Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/MLS.aspx
    MLS’s television ratings still pale in comparison to its professional league peers, but it can point to another increase in viewership as further proof of the league’s growth.

    In total, the 2017 MLS regular season had 26.3 million gross viewers across all U.S. networks, up 4 percent from 2016 and up 41 percent since the 2014 season, according to the league and network figures. It signed its current media rights deal with ESPN, Fox and Univision, which runs through 2022, after that season. Rising ratings have become more rare in sports of late, and MLS says it is the only league in North America to show consistent viewership growth since 2014.

    “When we think about the way the media landscape is changing, not just in sports but across the board, we’re really proud that we’re showing growth, and are extremely bullish on that growth going forward,” said Seth Bacon, MLS senior vice president of media.

    MLS broadcasts on Fox saw a 5 percent increase and Univision networks an 8 percent increase in average viewership for this past season. The average viewership of MLS broadcasts on ESPN networks was down less than 1 percent, although broadcasts on ESPN and ESPN2 individually had year-over-year increases of 1 percent and 9 percent, respectively. According to MLS, viewership on TSN/CTV and TVA in Canada were both up 8 percent over the previous year, following new five-year deals with both broadcasters in January.

    MLS Ratings Graph.JPG MLS TV RATINGS.JPG
    MLS Wikipedia TV Ratings.JPG

    The way I do these numbers is exactly how the media/MLS come up with the TV Cable Viewership Average . Here comes the math from the linked Sports Business Daily created Graph. 2017 TV averages ESPN 272k, Univision 265k,FS1 236k = 773k/3=257.666666 = 2017 avg 258k. 2016= 248k
    258k-248k=10k increase 10k/258k= 0.0387596 x100=3.87596 or 4% which is the noted amount of the increase in the Sports Business Daily article.

    What you are suggesting of weighting the numbers is exactly what we call trying to reinvent the wheel. It serves no purpose. The numbers are what they are. I will continue to post them as is.
     
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