Dude are you joking? When the entire rating is the size of a rounding error, percent increases are not relevant. You are telling me about single digit percent increases??? lol
Oh yeah, and NBC has gone on record saying they are losing money on the EPL. Don't expect to see it on NBC for long.
Thats not a rounding error rounding error doesn't mean what you think it does. I've never heard of a 7% rounding error. Also you do realize you are debating a fictional point as the 258k number he used was wrong as me and Paul have pointed out. He should've have used the mean FOX average which was 644k, which leads to a higher rating regardless thus making your point you are trying to make irrelevant. None of these hypothetical situations actually happened. The rating was MUCH higher and will be. Even the hypothetical situations lead to a higher rating. The CORRECT one and the INCORRECT you are going on about lol. So who's joking again??
Word salad.... The MLS rating on ESPN/FS1 that they are literally rounding errors. The Nielsen rating system is very very inaccurate, so when they report something like 150k, it could be 200k, it could be 100k, probably could be 10 people as well.
Again rounding errors don't mean what you think and if you wanna die on that hill everything you said about Nielsen or rounding errors can be applied to every Major Pro league in the US not named the NFL/MLB. So what's your point other than you made statements that weren't true and can't or won't acknowledge it. It's cool I suppose we are on the same team and want MLS to thrive, but in this thread we have to try to keep the facts straight.
I expect to see Bundesliga off of FOX way before EPL, thats if anything actually happened with EPL on NBC. I don't think it will. A number of things go into NBC losing money on EPL, the time slot and money they pay EPL per season $167 mil. EPL is on during the worst ad time you can have early Sat/Sun morning. There is a reason networks run cheap infomercials during the late overnight early am hours. They don't expect to sell alot of ad time to generate revenue so they go with very cheap programming. So with that said the EPL is filling that time slot and its compounded by the fact that they are paying EPL $167 mil per yr. That was the whole reason NBC Premier League Gold was created was to recoup those losses. It's a catch 22 though if they taped delayed games and ran them later they'd run into the ESPN/FSC problem of about a decade ago those games suffered lower ratings because they'd run up against US sports competition.
Wow, you are REALLY bad at this arguing your point thing... Perhaps you should concede before you embarrass yourself further.
Lol I see you're self projecting again. You should take the moment to discern someone agreeing with points and not agreeing with the whole statement. I agree NBC said they were losing money on EPL heck I was the one that posted that info here when the NBC exec said it. I don' agree that EPL won't be on NBC much longer. I do think if there is any league that won't be on TV much longer it's Bundesliga with FOX, due to anemic ratings. Talk about embarrassing one's self. You are too busy trying to argue you missed the point it wasn't hard to see. Someone can agree with you on a point but not the wider argument. I don't see NBC getting rid of EPL, that's sort of a hot take, @crookeddy
The networks have been saying the same exact thing about the NFL for at least a generation. Yet every few years the same networks give the NFL an even bigger deal than before. Most live sports "lose money" and have been for ages.
Well the question is how much is ABC paying for those X-games. If MLS can get get 525K for that time slot how much more should ABC pay for the additional 100K ratings? or how much for an extra 200K? I have no clue, but perhaps the rights to the X-game programing is relatively cheap.
I'm pretty sure that ESPN owns the X-Games. So that is an in-house deal for them. ABC/ESPN isn't really paying anything to carry them other than production costs. The ad sales are almost all profit. It is similar to all those minor college football bowl games that ESPN carries. They now own the bowl games out-right so they don't have any rights fees. They sell sponsorships and ads but don't pay any rights fees. It is a completely different economic model than sports or events that they have to pay rights fees on.
I see your point it's a good debate but I'd play devil's advocate and say MLS has averaged 670k on FOX the past two years since FOX started broadcasting games. MLS also has 50% of it's TV audience falling in the Nielsen 18-49 target demo with most likely a larger share of that 50 % falling in the 18-34 demo goldmine. X-GAMES on the other hand only has 20% of it's audience share falling in the 18-49% range. Who knew so many 50+s people liked extreme sports. Most likely it the die hard Tony Hawk generation of the 90's those mid-20/30s somethings still watch. I think its at best a break even with MLS production giving the higher potential reward. https://www.sportsvideo.org/2018/03...uction-innovation-for-its-broadcast-partners/ Concerning production cost ESPN has implemented at -home production as a cost saving mechanism to cut production cost. They use it with for half of their MLS games.
Open Cup final did NOT do well this year: 136k! Will we ever see it on TV again? 38th most watched soccer program in the last 2 weeks. Beaten soundly by Real Madrid vs Atletico on BeIn (a channel nobody has anymore) and by all but one MLS regular season matches. Top 3 highest rated programs? Liga MX matches.
Been a while and since WST posted numbers and some updates to boost in TV rating numbers for earlier MLS matches reported. 1 9/30 Liga MX América / Chivas Univision: 1677000 1,677,000 2 10/6 Liga MX Chivas / Pumas Univision: 1089000 1,089,000 3 10/6 Liga MX Tigres / Club América Univision: 983000 983,000 4 10/3 UEFA Champions League Spurs / Barcelona TNT: 272000 / Univision: 662000 934,000 5 10/6 Premier League Man Utd / Newcastle NBC: 789000 789,000 6 9/29 Premier League Chelsea / Liverpool NBCSN: 524000 / Telemundo: 263000 787,000 7 9/29 Liga MX Pachuca / Cruz Azul Univision: 539000 / ESPND: 246000 785,000 8 10/7 Premier League Liverpool / Man City NBCSN: 750000 750,000 9 10/2 UEFA Champions League CSKA Moskva / Real Madrid Univision: 390000 / UDN: 185000 575,000 10 9/30 Liga MX Pumas / Puebla Univision: 455000 455,000 11 10/7 Liga MX Toluca / Pachuca Univision: 402000 402,000 12 10/7 Premier League Southampton / Chelsea NBCSN: 361000 361,000 13 10/2 UEFA Champions League Man Utd / Valencia TNT: 234000 / UniMás: 115000 349,000 14 9/29 MLS Chicago Fire / Los Angeles FC Univision: 283000 / UDN: 63000 346,000 15 10/6 Premier League Spurs / Cardiff NBCSN: 341000 341,000 16 9/29 Premier League West Ham / Man Utd NBCSN: 287000 / Unvso: 47000 334,000 17 9/29 Premier League Man City / Brighton NBCSN: 276000 / Unvso: 52000 328,000 18 9/29 La Liga Real Madrid / Atlético Madrid beIN: 118000 / beIE: 205000 323,000 19 10/3 UEFA Champions League PSG / Crvena Zvezda TNT: 128000 / UniMás: 163000 291,000 20 10/6 Liga MX Cruz Azul / Monterrey UDN: 281000 281,000 21 10/7 CONCACAF WWCQ Panama / USWNT FS1: 192000 / UDN: 85000 277,000 22 10/6 MLS Atlanta United / New England Revolution Univision: 276000 276,000 23 9/30 MLS New York Red Bulls / Atlanta United ESPN: 244000 / ESPND: 19000 263,000 24 9/29 Liga MX Querétaro / Tigres ESPND: 76000 / UDN: 185000 261,000 25 9/28 Liga MX Atlas / Toluca UDN: 244000 244,000 26 9/30 Premier League Cardiff / Burnley NBCSN: 225000 225,000 27 10/5 Liga MX Veracruz / Necaxa UDN: 213000 213,000 28 9/30 Liga MX Lobos / Morelia UDN: 211000 211,000 29 10/6 Liga MX León / Morelia UDN: 204000 204,000 30 10/7 Liga MX Puebla / Lobos UDN: 193000 193,000 31 9/29 Liga MX Necaxa / Santos UDN: 189000 189,000 32 10/7 MLS DC United / Chicago Fire ESPN: 175000 175,000 33 10/2 UEFA Champions League Hoffenheim / Man City TNT: 143000 / Gala: 31000 174,000 34 10/5 Liga MX Santos / Atlas UDN: 171000 171,000 35 10/7 Premier League Fulham / Arsenal NBCSN: 170000 170,000 36 9/28 Liga MX Veracruz / León UDN: 146000 146,000 37 10/2 UEFA Champions League Juventus / Young Boys UniMás: 140000 140,000 38 9/26 US Open Cup Final Houston Dynamo / Philadelphia Union ESPN2: 136000 136,000 39 9/28 Bundesliga Hertha / Bayern FS1: 69000 / UniMás: 65000 134,000 40 9/29 Liga MX Monterrey / Tijuana FOXD: 134000 134,000 41 10/4 CONCACAF WWCQ USWNT / Mexico UDN: 134000 134,000 42 9/30 MLS Sporting Kansas City / Real Salt Lake FS1: 103000 / FOXD: 28000 131,000 43 10/4 UEFA Europa League Spartak Moskva / Villarreal UniMás: 131000 131,000 44 9/26 La Liga Sevilla / Real Madrid beIE: 127000 127,000 45 9/29 La Liga Barcelona / Bilbao beIN: 30000 / beIE: 94000 124,000 46 10/6 Bundesliga Dortmund / Augsburg UDN: 91000 91,000 47 9/30 Bundesliga Frankfurt / Hannover FS1: 48000 / UDN: 41000 89,000 48 9/29 Premier League Huddersfield / Spurs CNBC: 85000 85,000 49 9/25 Bundesliga Bayern / Augsburg FS1: 74000 74,000 50 9/29 Ligue 1 Nice / PSG beIN: 19000 / beIE: 55000 74,000 51 9/27 CONCACAF League Motagua / Tauro UDN: 70000 70,000 52 9/27 CONCACAF League Árabe Unido / Herediano UDN: 49000 49,000 53 9/29 Acenso MX FC Juarez / Zacatepec ESPND: 49000 49,000 54 9/26 La Liga Leganes / Barcelona beIE: 47000 47,000 55 9/30 2. Bundesliga Hamburg / St. Pauli FS1: 45000 45,000 56 10/2 UEFA Champions League Bayern / Ajax Gala: 40000 40,000 57 10/4 UEFA Europa League Betis / Dudelange UniMás: 33000 33,000 58 10/4 UEFA Europa League Standart Liège / Akhisar Belediyespor UDN: 32000 32,000 59 9/27 La Liga Girona / Betis beIE: 30000 30,000 60 9/29 Bundesliga Schalke / Mainz FS2: 16000 / UDN: 13000 29,000 61 10/4 UEFA Europa League Milan / Piraeus UDN: 23000 23,000 62 10/3 UEFA Champions League Lokomotiv Moskva / Schalke Gala: 20000 20,000 63 10/7 Bundesliga Freiburg / Leverkusen UDN: 19000 19,000 64 10/4 UEFA Europa League Qarabag / Arsenal Gala: 18000 18,000 65 10/3 UEFA Champions League Atlético Madrid / Club Brugge Gala: 13000 13,000 66 10/4 UEFA Europa League Frankfurt / Lazio Gala: 13000 13,000 67 10/5 Bundesliga Bremen / Wolfsburg UDN: 11000 11,000 68 10/4 UEFA Europa League Astana / Rennes UDN: 9000 9,000 SEE MORE: Access our archives of US TV ratings for soccer. HT ShowBuzz Daily
I didn't even know the game was played, who qualified, and don't care enough to look up the result. I'm surprised it didn't keep up with tradition with an Orlando-SJE final.
MLS TV 2018 TV Ratings ESPN Networks FOX Networks Univision Networks Week 1 HOU v ATL 469K UNI March 3 Sat 330pm SEA v LAFC 456K ESPN Mar 4 Sun 5pm SKC v NYCFC 180K FS1 Mar 4 Sun 730 pm LAG v Port 168K FS1 Mar 4 Sun 10pm Week2 ATL v DC 576K ESPN Mar 11 Sun 3pm RSL v LAFC 429K UNI Mar 10 Sat 330pm Week 3 NYCFC v OCSC 239k UNI Mar 17 Sat 330pm Week 4 FCD v Portland 198k UniMas Mar 24 Sat 330pm Week 5 OCSC v NYRB 171k UniMas Mar 31 Sat 1pm San Jose v NYCFC 115k ESPN2 Mar 31 Sat 8pm LAG v LAFC 676K FOX Mar 31 3 pm Sat Week 6 ATL v LAFC ESPN 259k Apr 7 Sat 5pm LAG v SKC FS1 229k Apr 8 Sun 9pm OCSC v Portland 181k ESPN Apr 8 Sun 4pm Week 7 Phil vs Orlando ESPN 253k Apr 13 Fri 8pm Chicago v LAG UNI 341k Apr 14 Sat 330 pm ATL UTD v NYCFC FS1 197k Apr 15 Sun 6 pm Sporting KC v Seattle ESPN 248k Apr 15 Sun 4 pm Week 8 Seattle v Minnesota ESPN 204k Apr 22 Sun 4 pm Portland v NYCFC FS1 152k Apr 22 Sun 6 pm NYRB v Chicago UNI 281k Apr 21 Sat 330 pm Week 9 Philly vs DCU Unimas 148k UniMas Sun Apr 28 330pm Colorado vs Orlando ESPN 173k Sun Apr 29 4pm LAFC vs Seattle FS1 248K Sun Apr 29 9pm Week 10 Toronto FC vs Seattle ?? FS1 Wed 5/9/18/ 730pm** LAFC vs FC Dallas 384k UNI Sat 5/5/18 155pm NYRB vs NYCFC 334k ESPN Sat 5/5/18 355pm Week 11 FCD vs LAG 395k UNI Sat 5/12/18 330pm Port vs Sea 231k ESPN Sun 5/13/18 400pm OCSC vs ATL UTD 285k FS1 Sun 5/13/18 600pm LAFC vs NYCFC 233k FS1 Sun 5/13/18 830pm Week 12 ATL UTD vs NYRB FS1 176k Sun 5/20/18 700 pm CHI vs Houston UniMas 239k Sun 5/20/18 400 pm ** Portland v LAFC FOX 465K Sat 5/19/18 300 pm Week 13 SKC vs Columbus FS1 144k Sun 5/27/18 600 pm Hou vs NYCFC UniMas 281k Fri 5/25/18 855pm LAG vs San Jose UDN 328k Fri 5/25/18 1055pm** Week 14 Port vs LAG ESPN2 272k Sat 6/2/18 5 pm SKC vs Minn UTD FS1???Sun 6/3/18 830pm Week 15 Columbus vs NYRB ESPN 292k Sat 6/9/18 5 pm Week 16 ATL UTD vs Portland FOX 1.074M Sun 6/24/18 400 pm NYRB vs FC Dallas UniMas169K Sat 6/23/18 600 pm** Week 17 SEA vs PORT FOX 1.159M Sat 6/30/18 430 pm ATL UTD vs OCSC ESPN 285K Sat 6/30/18 700 pm San Jose vs LAG UniMas 276 Sat 6/30/18 1000 pm Toronto FC vs NYRB FOX 1.109M Sun 7/1/18 505 pm Week 18 LAFC vs OCFC FS1 127K Sat 7/7/18 1100pm NYCFC vs NYRB FS1 ??? Sun 7/8/18 700pm Week 19 ATL UTD vs SEA FOX 1.558M Sun 7/15/18 200pm LAFC vs PORT ESPN 253k Sun 7/15/18 600pm Week 20 ATL UTD vs DC United UNI 341K Sat 7/21/18 330pm Week 21 OCFC vs NYCFC ESPN 176K Thur 7/26/18 800pm LAFC vs LAG ESPN 291K Thurs 7/26/18 1030pm SKC vs FC Dallas ESPN 211K Sat 7/28/18 900pm Seattle vs NYCFC ESPN 191K Sun 7/29/18 500pm LAG vs Orlando FS1 140K Sun 7/29/18 930pm Week 22 ATL UTD vs Toronto ESPN 207k Sun 8/5/18 400pm NYRB vs LAFC FS1 ??? Sun 8/5/18 600pm Week 23 Toronto FC vs NYRB ESPN ??? Sun 8/12/18 400pm DC United vs Orlando FS1 ??? Sun 8/12/18 800pm Seattle vs FC Dallas FS1 139k Sun 8/12/18 1000pm Week 24 LAFC vs RSL ESPN2 119K Wed 8/15/18 100pm Seattle vs LA Galaxy ESPN 239K Sat 8/18/18 730pm DCU vs NE Revs FS1 ??? Sun 8/19/18 730pm Week 25 NYCFC vs NYRB FS1 ??? Sun 8/22/18 700pm HOU vs FCD UniMas 244k Thurs 8/23/18 900pm OCFC vs ATL UTD ESPN 305k Fri 8/24/18 800pm LAG vs LAFC ESPN 257k Fri 8/24/18 1030pm Portland vs Seattle FS1 235k Sun 8/26/18 930pm NYRB vs DC United FS1 168k Sun 8/26/18 700pm Week 26 Seattle vs Sporting KC UniMas 196k 9/1/18 Sat 400pm DCU vs ATL UTD FS1 155K Sun 730pm 9/2/18 Sun 730pm Week 27 NYCFC vs DC United UniMas 377k 9/8/18 Sat 455pm Colorado vs ATL UTD UNI 290k 9/15/18 Sat 330pm Week 28 Chicago vs OCSC FS1??? 9/16/18 Sun 500pm DCU vs NYRB ESPN 216k 9/16/18 Sun 100pm Week 29 San Jose vs ATL UTD UniMas 246k Wed 1100pm LAFC vs San Jose 9/22/18 UNI 303k Sat 330pm LAG vs Seattle FS1 211k 9/23/18 Sun 700pm Philly vs SKC ESPN 184k 9/23/ Sun 100pm Week 30 CHI vs LAFC UNI 346k 9/29/18 Sat 330pm NYRB vs ATL UTD ESPN 263k 9/30/18 Sun 100pm SKC vs RSL FS1 131k 9/30/18 Sun 500pm Week 31 ATL UTD vs NE Revs UNI 276k 10/6/18 Sat 330pm DCU vs CHI ESPN 175k 10/7/18 Sun 100pm Total Network Average 309.7k Average ESPN Networks 248.8k Average Fox Networks 390.1k Average Univision Networks 290.3k All ratings are sourced from the below sites http://www.showbuzzdaily.com (Search MLS or Major League Soccer) http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/?s=MLS http://worldsoccertalk.com/category/tv-ratings/
Well.. other than saying it’s not legal (it isn’t a crime, after all), he’s not technically wrong. We do require that any copy/pasting be as little of the article as possible, to include a link to the source, and that you provide some analysis along with the quote. ShowBuzz is paying Nielsen a lot of money to get access to those ratings, it isn’t okay to just republish that info here and cut them off from the ad revenue it should be generating for them.
I'm not sure if this was directed at me or not, but I think I have a decent understanding of math. That was why I pointed out a while ago that the way you come up with a network average by giving equal weight to each network is causing the games on the network with the fewest number of games (FOX) to affect the average more than the other games. Because FOX also gets the biggest ratings, that means that your network average is inflated. Since you are already keeping a spreadsheet with all the games, giving equal weight to each game would be just as easy as the way you are currently calculating it. The fact that you don't do that gives the impression that you are going out of your way to make the ratings look better for MLS than they actually are. I know that FOX normally gets better ratings than the cable networks. I pointed that out myself in my post above. If there was no World Cup, would those games have been on FOX? I don't know. That's why I'm not trying to say without the World Cup, ratings would be exactly x. All I said was, the growth would have been a lot smaller, and this year's increase shouldn't be expected every year. My point was that it's silly to dump on someone for remarking about one bad game, when 3 good games are causing most of the increase. I think the thread should be about having an honest discussion about MLS tv ratings, not just a place for certain folks to put a pro-MLS spin on things.
Yes, I was talking about you I was being tongue in cheek and cracking a little joke at you. I figured you understood you made a mistake, but since you brought it backup lets discuss..... You are overly complicating the matter, the games were scheduled to be on FOX regardless. FOX has been airing about 6 games a yr since they started putting games on BIG FOX in 2016. So I think some of the mix up is maybe you just aren't aware of what the deal is. This isn't any pro-MLS spin, its posting the numbers; they are going up and have done so since the last tv deal was announced in 2014. So if there is going to be "honest" discussion it should include the fact that we are in a period of TV growth and yes there will be games that are subpar, they are discussed when they are and as well if there were any underlying reason for it or if it was just a bad number. You came off as if the way the numbers were added is wrong and your way is right/better. Paul and myself tried to point out that your math was wrong. Yet you still don't understand even after it's been explained to you. So NO you didn't have it grasped you were using the wrong set of data for a average and trying to tell me the way I was applying my data was off. The FOX average of 644k is the CORRECT data you should've used and not the combined Network average of 258k. Especially if you were going to use the WHAT IF comparison of not including the ACTUAL post WC game numbers and instead use the regular average those games would've gotten. There is no way anyone can spin these numbers, trying to weight the averages is just ridiculous. This isn't a voting poll of averages, we aren't weighing what set of polls is more reliable. The numbers are what they are que Taylor Twellman. I do this stuff for a living btw. The way I came up with the averages is simple MS Excel plug in play. Enter the TV rating for each Network and select auto average of the entered data, you then combine the averages for each network and you get the overall Network average number. https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2017/11/20/Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/MLS.aspx MLS’s television ratings still pale in comparison to its professional league peers, but it can point to another increase in viewership as further proof of the league’s growth. In total, the 2017 MLS regular season had 26.3 million gross viewers across all U.S. networks, up 4 percent from 2016 and up 41 percent since the 2014 season, according to the league and network figures. It signed its current media rights deal with ESPN, Fox and Univision, which runs through 2022, after that season. Rising ratings have become more rare in sports of late, and MLS says it is the only league in North America to show consistent viewership growth since 2014. “When we think about the way the media landscape is changing, not just in sports but across the board, we’re really proud that we’re showing growth, and are extremely bullish on that growth going forward,” said Seth Bacon, MLS senior vice president of media. MLS broadcasts on Fox saw a 5 percent increase and Univision networks an 8 percent increase in average viewership for this past season. The average viewership of MLS broadcasts on ESPN networks was down less than 1 percent, although broadcasts on ESPN and ESPN2 individually had year-over-year increases of 1 percent and 9 percent, respectively. According to MLS, viewership on TSN/CTV and TVA in Canada were both up 8 percent over the previous year, following new five-year deals with both broadcasters in January. The way I do these numbers is exactly how the media/MLS come up with the TV Cable Viewership Average . Here comes the math from the linked Sports Business Daily created Graph. 2017 TV averages ESPN 272k, Univision 265k,FS1 236k = 773k/3=257.666666 = 2017 avg 258k. 2016= 248k 258k-248k=10k increase 10k/258k= 0.0387596 x100=3.87596 or 4% which is the noted amount of the increase in the Sports Business Daily article. What you are suggesting of weighting the numbers is exactly what we call trying to reinvent the wheel. It serves no purpose. The numbers are what they are. I will continue to post them as is.