Post-match: The 2016 Election Schadenfreude Thread [R]

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  1. Timon19

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    That's an odd assumption, but if you like I can change it to "This hasn't happened that often considering the full scope of the history of our young nation".

    Still not sure why you're using the distinction of a state at this theoretical point where they no longer matter. Also not sure what "center" means other than "an arbitrary point about which two milquetoast political rival factions squabble intensely over very narrow points of disagreement while largely agreeing on a number of broad actions and/or policies (without really saying it)." Sort of like the Peoples' Front of Judea vs. the Judean Peoples' Front.
     
  2. gatekeeper2

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    #627 gatekeeper2, Dec 28, 2016
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    Nothing to see here...

    Ivanka Trump and her top executives say they won't be rushing to onshore manufacturing of their company's shoes and other apparel, which are made in places such as China and Vietnam. "It's great to say we want to do all of this, but we want to make responsible business decisions, too," says Abigail Klem, president of the Ivanka Trump brand.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/28/new-...e-in-usa-may-be-a-tricky-label-to-stitch.html


    For the Trumps, 'Made in U.S.A.' May Be a Tricky Label to Stitch
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    Macy's, her leather bootee manufactured in China sold for more than $100.

    At the Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue, a $35 blue cotton cap embroidered with ''Trump National Golf Club'' was made in Bangladesh. A Trump Tower hoodie from Pakistan set tourists back $50.

    A majority of clothes these days are made anywhere but in America. And in this era of local pride and nationalistic fervor, that has become a political liability. The conflict is starkly evident in the apparel brands made and marketed by President-elect Donald J. Trump and his daughter Ivanka.
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  3. ceezmad

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    Yes for GOP, no for Democrats.

    Running up the score in a few large cities is not enough to be a national party (you give up too many states), so Dems have to be centrist and at least try to look like they care about the country folk in the EC system.

    The problem that I see with the Democratic coalition is that it has the demographics to win nation wide elections when the base is exited.

    But that same base is a handicap in low turn-out elections and state/local elections.


    With Nation wide Presidential elections, the Democrats could win the Presidential elections very easily*, but it still does nothing for the Senate, the house (unless we expand it or win back some states) and a majority of States.



    * Well the GOP would have to adapt and make it harder.
     
  4. dapip

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    We will have to review how the trends have changed but right up until election day it was common knowledge among Democrats that a few more red states would be in play in 2020 and 2024. What Dems did not expect was a high rural and rust belt turn out and a slightly sub-par urban turn-out in the same areas of the country.

    In the long run, I still expect Dems to do better as older white rural people die and the GOP has adapted by making it more difficult for urban Dems to vote.
     
  5. ceezmad

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    I forget where I was reading, the New York times article about Iowa perhaps.

    But the red rural areas are getting redder. old union member democrats are also dying. Young people that do not want to farm and can't find jobs are moving to large cities (like always but with out manufacturing prospects more so now).

    This was about the Iowa Industrial belt and how Clinton underperformed a lot vs. Obama. Those type of Democrats that could swing an otherwise rural state to the Dems is dying/moving.


    We are concentrating on a few cities in a few states.


    I remember when Missouri was a swing state (well sort of). 2 Large cities and a rural middle. Clinton did not do enough in KC, that is bad.


    http://www.bing.com/search?q=Missri election results 2016&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IESR02


    If the Democrats are going to abandon the country side and become a party of the cities, we need to do much better in Large cities in red states, not only in the urban core, but in the suburbs.
     
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  6. ChuckMe92

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    Back to the topic of this thread:


     
  7. ceezmad

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    An article on Youngstown and how the media only tells half the story about the Trump swing voters from Youngstown.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics...trump-democrats.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab

    I put it here due to the line on how Trump improved on Romney vote take, but the drop for Clinton from Obama was twice as large.
     
  8. dapip

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