Cozzi should have made it. He was highly rated in the 50s. Cordoba must have been very good in South America but he seemed a bit erratic in Europe. He probably would have got a low placing even if he made the list. Sarti deserves his place. His pedigree at NT level isn't as impressive like other Italian keepers but he was a star in the 50s for Fiorentina when they were title contenders and he was a part of the Grande Inter team of the 60s.
But he played the most of his career in South America, where he had some dominant periods and were almost ever great. Easily I'd put him over some other names who played more time and better in Europe but didn't have the peak so high as Córdoba had in this continent like Brad Friedel, Simeon Simeonov, Bodo Illgner, Paco Buyo, Vítor Baía, Jack Kelsey... or South Americans like René Higuita, Hugo Gatti, José Luis Chilavert... (by mentioning who more I know).
Top Right Backs by Country GERMANY (10) 96. DREMMLER, Wolfgang 87. BABBEL, Markus 60. BERTHOLD, Thomas 53. URBANCZYK, Klaus 45. REUTER, Stefan 35. POSIPAL, Josef 30. HÖTTGES, Horst-Dieter 19. KALTZ, Manfred 10. JANES, Paul 03. VOGTS, Berti BRAZIL (9) 73. DE SORDI, Nílton 70. JOSIMAR 67. ZÉ MARÍA 62. NELINHO 50. LEANDRO 31. JORGINHO 07. CARLOS ALBERTO 02. CAFÚ 01. DJALMA SANTOS ITALY (8) 68. TASSOTTI, Mauro 56. PANUCCI, Christian 37. MONZEGLIO, Eraldo 27. BURGNICH, Tarcisio 22. ROSETTA, Virginio 20. FONI, Alfredo 18. GENTILE, Claudio 14. BERGOMI, Giuseppe ARGENTINA (7) 94. SOSA, Carlos Adolfo 85. SENSINI, Roberto 75. DELLACHA, Pedro 63. YÁCONO, Norberto 59. SÁ, Francisco 46. OLGUÍN, Jorge 11. ZANETTI, Javier URUGUAY (7) 82. ANCHETA, Atilio 79. GUTIÉRREZ, Nelson 74. GAMBETTA, Schubert 72. FORLÁN, Pablo 38. UBIÑAS, Luis 09. NASAZZI, José 04. RODRÍGUEZ ANDRADE, Víctor FRANCE (7) 71. ANGLOMA, Jocelyn 66. MATTLER, Étienne 52. SAGNOL, Willy 34. DJORKAEFF, Jean 17. AMOROS, Manuel 15. BATTISTON, Patrick 05. THURAM, Lilian ENGLAND (6) 100. STEVENS, Gary 78. ANDERSON, Viv 49. NEVILLE, Gary 29. NEAL, Phil 23. ARMFIELD, Jimmy 06. CROMPTON, Bob DENMARK (6) 98. BUSK, Soren 93. HELVEG, Thomas 90. TARP, Fritz 61. SIVEBAEK, John 54. JENSEN, Poul 47. HANSEN, Johnny SPAIN (5) 99. RIVILLA, Feliciano 92. NAVARRO, Joaquín 91. FERRER, Albert 80. MÍCHEL SALGADO 65. MARQUINHOS PORTUGAL (4) 95. FERREIRA, Paulo 89. VELOSO, António 76. CAVÉM, Domiciano 32. JOAO PINTO YUGOSLAVIA (4) 88. DURKOVIC, Vladimir 44. FAZLAGIC, Mirsad 39. IVKOVIC, Milutin 25. STANKOVIC, Branko
Wouldn't Amoros be a better pick as a left-back ? He played most of his games for France at that position between 1983 and 1989, including WC86 during which he reached his best level.
Of his starting games for France, Amoros played 31 times as a right back and 45 times as a left back.
Other names i can remember, could make it on the list for Goalies: * Peter Platzer (Austria - Germany 30's) * Alex Thepot (France - 30's) * Frank Sechehaye (Swiss - 30's) * Theodor Reimann (Checoslovaquia - 40's ) * Karl Svensson (Sweden - 50's) * Joel Bats (France - 80's) * Badou Zaki (Morocco - 80's) * Gabelo Conejo (Costa Rica - 80's)
Thanks to both Peru FC and Greg for their posts in this thread by sorting the list and then splitting by nation. Much appreciated in both cases.
Carlos Alberto is largely so highly praised on the basis of two things. One is his captaincy of the 1970 WC winning team. Only three right-backs have ever been captains of WC winning sides (Nasazzi, C Alberto, Cafu). The second is the fact that he scored that goal against Italy in the final. To me the goal has elevated him into a position he doesn't deserve. To score one goal (when the game is already won), and off the back of it be called the best right-back ever is wrong IMO. It's like putting Thuram top for his two goals (more important ones at that) against Croatia in 1998, when he never scored another goal in his international career. Remember that Alberto was not even selected for the WC in 1974! Compare that to the consistent excellent of Vogts, Thuram, Cafu and Crompton and I think you can see why he falls short. As such I think 7th is quite high enough for him.
To be fair he was injured for 74. And in '66 I read that most in Brasil were surprised he wasn't called up.
I read an interview with him in an issue of World Soccer from the mid 70s and he denied that he was injured in 74. He was a very good player at club level with Santos. No disgrace in being the 7th best ever.
omo alguien lo explico antes, Chilavert era un buen arquero, hasta un gran arquero, pero no excelente. En mi opinion, mejores cualidades como arquero, tenia Oscar Cordoba. Chilavert sera recordado por sus dotes de lider y capitan chanel bags, era el alma de su equipo, capaz de intimidar a sus rivales y ganar un partido con sus goles de penal o media distancia. Es un caso similar al de Obdulio Varela, el mas grande lider y capitan que tuvo cualquier equipo de futbol. Pero tecnicamente, analizando solo sus cualidades, habian mejores halves en su epoca como Rossi (Arg), Danilo (Bra), C.Heredia (Per).
Personally, i wouldn't pick these players in a Right Back position, assuming a "four deffense line": * Roberto Sensini ---> Centerback or Left Back (Newells days) * Atilio Ancheta ---> Centerback or stopper * Nelson Gutierrez ---> Centerback or stopper * Pedro Dellacha ---> Centerback (3-2-5 system) or Right Back (2-3-5 system) * Francisco Sa ---> Centerback or stopper * Jose Nasazzi ---> Centerback or sweeper * Victor Rodriguez Andrade ---> Left Half (2-3-5) & Laft Back (3-2-5) IMO, i'd considered to Right Backs from Piramyd system as similar to centerbacks from our days. There's a few players from 2-3-5 old days, who played Right Halves, like: Carlos Sosa, Schubert Gambetta or Norberto Yacono, considered into the list of Best Right Backs. That's ok for me. But, also i remember a ranking from El Grafico from mids 70's, and people choice a Carlos Sosa as the best Argentinian Right Back from all times.
This is interesting. I've often seen him listed as a left-half, yet in the 1954 World Cup he played as a right-half/right-back. I know his uncle, Jose Leandro Andrade, was a left-half but I'm not sure about Andrade II. For instance Ferenc Puskas selected him as the best RB of all time in his all-time XI.
In WC 1950, Rodriguez Andrade played as a LH, but as you well said, in WC 54 he played as a RH. I'm sure Jose Leandro Andrade was a Right Half in the olympics & world cup.
When he was in Italy, Sensini would usually play in the right midfield position and sometimes as a right back. I think he was a right-back in his second stint at Udinese but they usually had Valerio Bertotto in that position. From what I've read, Jose Leandro Andrade played as a right-half in 2-3-5. In some books I've read, Andrade was the right-half in the 1930 World Cup Final for Uruguay and the left-half was Gestido.
In fact it's a disgrace for him to be behind Vogts (just a hardworker?) and Cafu (more like a attacking wing back) Carlos Alberto was more complete: reading games, attack, defense and leadership. It's like saying : no disgrace to put Pele or Maradona behind Zidane
No disgrace at all. Compare Vogts contribution to the 1974 WC final to that of C Alberto in 1970. Vogts shackled Cruyff down so well that he did not have a single chance in the game. C Alberto scored a goal when the game was already won. He was a European and World Champion with Germany, won 5 Bundesliga titles and 2 UEFA Cups with Moenchengladbach. He was rated World Class by Kicker 7 times (only Beckenbauer and Seeler were rated that highly more often). So to dismiss him as merely a hard worker is ridicuous. He was an excellent player. Also Cafu and Carlos Alberto were very similar. Cafu did more though and for longer. One of only a handful of players to win 2 World Cups. The only player in history to appear in 3 World Cup finals. Most capped Brazilian ever. Winner of two Copa Libertadores, a Champions League, a Cup Winners' Cup, and three Intercontinental Cups. He was also South American player of the year in 1994. Carlos Alberto's trophy cabinet is, in comparison, bare.
Also, Sensini, played for the Argentine team, only as a centerback. About Gestido, he played Centerhalf for his club, and Left Half for the selection.
I have read a lot about the 1930 World Cup, and almost every good source has him as a left-half, while a few have him down as a right-half. Given the lack of footage it is impossible to be certain. Edit: Actually I take this back. Having been back over some of the sources, many do list him as a right-half
I very much agree with this. Regarding Berti Vogts it also has to be said that his game was not one-dimensional (basically purely defensive), which often is assumed these days. He was actually a very attacking full back, especially for his club Borussia Mönchengladbach. A real offensive engine. That was one of the reasons Kicker rated him "World Class" so often. Total commitment to his team's cause, always full of drive and energy, able to fully neutralize a specific player when assigned a marking job, yet at the same time a very important factor in his team's offensive display. What also speaks for him was his versality: he was frequently used as a left back, right back, sweeper, stopper and defensive midfielder for his club Borussia Mönchengladbach. For Germany though he almost exclusively played as a right back, which is why he is associated with that role. It also speaks for Vogts' offensive abilities, that German manager Helmut Schön initially intended for the 1970 World Cup not to play with a classic right winger but instead to assign that job to his right back Berti Vogts. That way, Germany could have played with 4 midfielders, with the right-sided midfielder Helmut Haller and right back Vogts as a tandem on the right side. However it soon showed that Haller lacked the necessary fitness to play that role in Mexico '70, hence the "back-up" and true right winger Reinhard "Stan" Libuda was added to the team instead of Haller, because Schön thought it would be too demanding for Vogts to act as right back and right winger without the needed cover up by Haller, so that his original plan was archived (the concept of the wing back was not invented at the time). Testimony to Schön's original plan though remained the squad number assigned to Berti Vogts in 1970 - he did not wear the "2" as would have been the standard for a right back, but he wore the "7", which was the outside right's standard shirt number.
Another very good effort. All very deserving and from different eras. Nice. I'm glad to see Jorge Olguin rated so high. His reputation is tainted in Argentina because some say he was hand picked by the military Junta for the 78 squad, over the more popular Vicente Pernia, who at the time played for Boca Juniors. But Olguin, in addition to being a key member of the WC champions, had an excellent career, especially his time at San Lorenzo, but also with Independiente and Argentinos Juniors, winning titles with all three. He was an elegant defender who had a clean tackle and was a pleasure to watch, and he joined the attack very well and was a good goal scorer for a defender. I might think of Sensini and Pancho Sa as more all-around defenders than pure right backs, they played all over. Olguin also spent a lot of time in central defense. But you have to put them somewhere, and they did play on the right at times, and they are deserving. Here are a few other Argentines who come to mind who might deserve consideration at the position for a top 100 list. Quique Wolff (Best known for his time at Racing, Las Palmas, Real Madrid. Starter at the 74 World Cup) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Wolff Roberto Ferreiro (Best known for his time at Independiente, also played for River, and started for Argentina in 66) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Ferreiro Vicente Pernia (Best known for his time at Boca Juniors and Estudiantes. A tough guy and a favorite of mine, controversially left off the 78 squad. Father of Mariano Pernia, who plays for Spain) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicente_Pernía Nestor Clausen (Best known for his time at Independiente. Also played some time in Switzerland. Won the world cup with Argentina in 86.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Néstor_Clausen