Syria - The "Strength in Asia "

But what if the event is still happening and the person who knew the result might give him the result in the same time.

 

Writing test ----------> After writing test, student says Inshallah i passed. ----------------> Teacher hands him the result ------------> the student Knows whether he passed or failed.

 

During the event (When teachers checking the tests and deciding whether the student pass or fail) the Student say Inshallah I passed, so he asked Allah to make him pass. I already explained the meaning of Sha'a in the previous posts, the etymology of the word can be Want or Wish.

 

Yes agreed but still with the student's perspective he will get the result in the future.

 

Those examples are about during events and beyond. During the event you said Inshallah and the action was happening. the result is only a delay answer.

 

North Korea has been favourite of mine since 2005 and as u guys know i still consider it to be the top team of 2nd tier Asian countries. If only they had the best facilities.

 

LOL. I don't think anyone would challenge me on that.

 

If the teacher is checking the test and deciding if the student passes or not, it means the result is not known yet, so the student may not say :"Inshaallah I passed." because he has not passed yet. He can only say: "Inshaallah I pass."

It is useless you keep saying Inshaallah can be used for things being happened but you cannot show a reliable source to back you up. I have shown you Islamic Glossary which states Inshaallah can only be used for future events. Now show me your source if you insist Inshaallah can be used for events being happened.

 

Because he has not passed yet, and that's why he said Inshallah because we Muslim believe that Allah capable to do everything, so during that time when the teacher didn't decide to make the student pass or not, Allah can interfere. he can ease the teacher's heart. But we don't know when (so our mind says passed) because our believe in Allah is stronger than anything else.

But if the student didn't/couldn't make it he wont lose faith or something because sometimes we pray but not every time yes is the right answer, sometimes No is the best answer for me (where did I heard this sentence? )

As I told you before it's wrong to translate the Arabic words literally to English because the Arabic words are complicated more than you think. Sometimes you think it’s a past word but in the Arabic language sometimes it can be continues. Sometimes you think it’s a future but the event already happened.

For Example in the Quran in one of the Aya says Sanorihom, (We will show them) that Aya was for Quraish (I think) but the event finished… but when you read this Aya Obviously it still says Sanorihom (We will show them)? this thing already happened but it still written We will show them!!! do you have any explanations?

You need a Shikh/Imam to explain the Quran for you as same as you need Arabic teacher to explain the etymology of the Arabic words, you can't say it's past/present/or Future just like that… you just can't.

I told you several times, not you nor Indonesians can easily understand the etymology of the Arabic words, you need a specialist Arabic teacher. Sometimes one word can give you alot of meaning, some times one word can give you a whole sentence.

That's why I, Syrianman and Suadi64 knew it while Sah found it difficult to understand because he isn't Arabi same as you (who obviously at first you aren't' Muslim and 2ndly you aren't Arabi)


One more thing, as I told you before links/sources are not everything.

 

Question: What has Iran done to be still in the top tier teams while denying Iraq the same? The only thing worthy of mention that Iran did in the last decade was to qualify to 2006 World Cup.

 

Wow Kenzhi you are a very wise poster btw...

 

Because they have better players playing in better leagues. I'd say that they'd be equal with Japan and Australia at the top of the pile.

 

That is a very naive contention. By your criteria, China, Lebanon and Uzbekistan would rate higher than Saudi Arabia because of players like Sun Jihai (Manchester City) Roda Antar (Hamburg/FC Coln) and Maxim Shatskiikh (Dynamo Kiev)

 

Ah, but they aren't very good players, except maybe Maksim Shatskikh and there aren't as many players abroard as Iran has, like Mehdi Mahdavikia, Andranik Teymourian, Javad Nekounam and Vahid Hashemian to name a few.

 

None of them are starters AFAIK...and Teymourian isnt even on Bolton's first team while Oman's Al Habsi is their 2nd choice goalie. Sun Jihai is not a good player?

 

Sun Ji-Hai is a shadow of his former self. Javad Nekounam and Mehdi Mahdavikia usually start for Osasuna and Eintracht respectively, if they aren't hurt.

 

Sorry, I watch the bundesliga...Mahdavikia isnt a starter for Eintracht.
Starters:
1 Oka Nikolov
23 Marco Russ
16 Christoph Spycher
2 Patrick Ochs (Mehdi Mahdavikia is a sub for Ochs if he's hurt)
3 Aaron Galindo
20 Junichi Inamoto
6 Michael Fink
10 Markus Weissenberger
7 Benjamin Köhler
18 Ioannis Amanatidis
17 Martin Fenin

As for Nekounam, he only scored 2 goals in 2 whole seasons with Osasuna. I think you are giving Iranian players too much credit.

 

Hey "Laith" (or should I say Liban, the notorious Wahabi and red-carded anti-Semite ). We all know you're jelous... You ain't fooling anyone, but don't take your inferiority complex out on the people here, it's really quite annoying. Javad Nekounam and Mehdi Mahdavikia are regular starters in their teams, Javad Nekounam made both the La Liga and UEFA Cup all-star teams last season. Come back and talk when a single Saudi players actually made it to Europe, let alone be a starter or an all-star player.

 

You have any proof that Laith is Liban or is it just your guess like the one in the Asian Cup 2007 when you said that Saudi Arabia will lose to Bahrain so that South Korea would get eliminated from Asian cup 2007. We all saw how wrong you were.

 

Javad Nekounam is the most vital player for the Iranian national team, and he is easily one of Asia's best players.

First of all, Javad has missed this entire La Liga season. He was injured in the first match of the season, and he is yet to return. During his first season (last season), he scored 2 goals in La Liga and scored a stunning, game-winning header in the UEFA Cup. Furthermore, Javad is a defensive midfielder with strictly defensive duties for Osasuna's formation and tactics. If you had watched a single Osasuna game last season, you would realize the immense impact he has on the game, rather than pick at his goal-stats. He became an established starter about halfway through the season and has become unarguably one of Osasuna's most important players.

As for Mahdavikia- he's getting old and injuries are taking their toll, but he has indeed started many games for Frankfurt. As far as crosses from the right-wing are concerned, he is still an absolute class-act.

I would love to comment on Teymourian and Hashemian, but I feel wrong debating this issue on the "Syria- The 'Strength in Asia'" thread.

As for "giving Iranian players too much credit"- I think all too often the Iranian national team is a bit overrated, while our individual players are rarely given the credit they deserve...

 

Thanks V.I.P.ersian, keep it on topic guys.

 

VIP ersian is absolutely right! Javad Nekounam was, if not the best player in Osasuna, one of the best, last season.

He was also one of the BEST LA LIGA players...it´s not me saying it....it´s Spanish National Media.

We expect him back to action soon!!!