just out of curiousity i wish to know what would have happened if the Crew and KC would have finished the season with the same amount of points GD and GS which team would have won it in that scenario? they have finished last season with the same points even-steven head to head(which i've found a wee bit unfair since they met twice at CS while only once at KC) and the same GD but the Crew scored 2 more so they won it
Thats why i don't consider the shield to be a MAJOR DOMESTIC TITLE... MLS Cup USOC CCC those are the 3 you should have to win to get the treble/triple...
i agree no one really cares for the Shield but in any well established based league accross the world it would be considered as the title winners
Well this year that won't be an issue - teams only play inter-conference games once at each side's home.
after a reseasch that is what i came out with and it's not saying what happen when the GD and GS are equal http://www.mlsnet.com/MLS/news/mls_news.jsp?ymd=20041010&content_id=16473&vkey=news_mls&fext=.jsp
I imagine it'd go to their head-to-head results. If they split that, then the goal differential of the head to head matches. If that's even, then I'd try away goals, head to head. Purely guessing, but those seem most logical.
No, it's not something that's normally used, but they may take it as one of the later levels of breaking ties. Again, no idea, just a reasonable guess.
and there's also the the number of wins issue to be considered i don't actually believe no 1 knows the criteria in this situation and further more i'm not sure the MLS actually HAS one my wild guess is that the teams split the shield 6 months each
Why give it to the teams or even the supporters, its held in such high reguard that they just give it to some random fat old lady and let her hold on to it... p.s. There is a criteria, just no one actually cares...teams are to busy going after the MLS CUP, USOC, CCC and hopefully in december the WCC...
This was all dealt with last season. There is a strict order of seeding done by MLS that is much more expansive than what is listed on the internet or in the MLS Media Guide. Go back to the MLS N&A Forum around the last week or two of the regular season. It was all explained in excruciating detail with confirmation from the league level. I believe the fourth tiebreaker after GS/GD would've given the Shield to Columbus, but offhand I can't recall the criteria. The SS by necessity follows MLS tie-breakers. That way the games are played under one set of competitive criteria and impetus. Or, just send a PM to Sam Pierron.
Ties for the Supporters Shield are broken according to the MLS tiebreaker regulations: If Kansas City had both scored and allowed 2 more goals last season, the first three tiebreakers would have all been even. Step 4 says to go back to step 1, and apply it only to road games for each team. So it would have gone to the team with the best road record in the KC-Columbus head-to-head matches. That would have been Kansas City, since they were 0-1-1 (W-L-T) at Columbus, while Columbus was 0-1-0 at Kansas City. There were a lot of threads about this prior to the last match day, as there were differing interpretations of the rule, and a lot of agreement that this rule is worded poorly, not very well thought-out, and isn't very fair when the teams have played an odd number of matches against each other. But rules are rules and it would have gone to Kansas City.
And I believe the rules above - extracted from the Media Guide are a poorly written "condensed" version of the actual MLS rules. Upon clarification, I believe that had the teams finished tied on GS and GD the next tiebreaker (which escapes me) would've seen the Shield land in Columbus. Frankly, Kansas City blew several opportunities down the stretch to just win a game and be done with it.
I agree Andy they did blow their chances...and yes i do follow the shield and who's going to and does win it...but in reality it just doesn't matter much, for all we knew the Wizards could have cared less...I'm sure they are much happier being defending USOC Champs and having the chance to play in last seasons MLS Cup (and now playing in the champs cup) than Columbus is with their supporters shield (is it even theirs, or does it now belong to the old fat lady???) haha...
Who cares? If KC really wants that bad send 50 dollars for shipping and a twinkie to the fat bitch that picked it up.
thanx Noah but according to rule (4) If the teams are still equal in the standings, the procedures described in this section shall be applied only to games played on the road by each team against ALL OTHER teams during the regular season. (road 1-3) that means that it is not head to head
sorry for keep nagging about it but as i read through the thread it's seems you and Noah are in on a total disagreement as of which of the 2 teams would have won the shield if the GD/GS were equal well as it as sorrowly seems we may never know the answer but personally i assume that the next tiebreaker you've mentioned refers to the OVERALL road record not HTH but since i can't find last season's scores i can't base my assumption