Supporters' Shield numbers fun...or something

Discussion in 'Columbus Crew' started by Flyer Fan, Nov 8, 2009.

  1. Flyer Fan

    Flyer Fan Member+

    Apr 18, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    With Columbus tying its own record for fewest points for a Supporters' Shield winner, I was curious about the previous Shield winners' point totals as compared to the rest of the league. For example, while the 2004 and 2009 Crew finished on 49 points, was that number somewhat "expected" based on how the league results fell overall; were there fewer points gained per game with 49 being an outstanding number or is 49 just blah no matter what?

    I put this together late last night, so my math and logic might be off, but here's what I did:

    1. Pts: Supporters' Shield winner's point total for the season
    2. PPG: Shield winners' Pts/GP
    3. MLS Total PPG: I took all of the standings points earned and divided it by all of the games played, which I assumed was the total of all teams' GP/2.
    4. SS PPG/Total PPG: The Shield winners' PPG divided by the total PPG.
    5. Team PPG: Total PPG/2, to see the average PPG for a team.
    6. SS PPG/Team PPG: Shield winners' PPG divided by the average PPG.

    Now, assuming I used BigSoccer code correctly...

    Code:
    Year  SS Winner    Pts  PPG  MLS Total   SS PPG/   Team PPG   SS PPG/
                                    PPG     Total PPG            Team PPG
    1996  Tampa Bay     58  1.81    2.58       0.70       1.29      1.41
    1997  DC United     55  1.72    2.59       0.66       1.29      1.33
    1998  Los Angeles   68  2.13    2.66       0.80       1.33      1.60
    1999  DC United     57  1.78    2.41       0.74       1.20      1.48
    2000  Kansas City   57  1.78    2.82       0.63       1.41      1.26
    2001  Miami         53  2.04    2.82       0.72       1.41      1.44
    2002  Los Angeles   51  1.82    2.84       0.64       1.42      1.28
    2003  Chicago       53  1.77    2.73       0.65       1.36      1.30
    [b]2004  Columbus      49  1.63    2.69       0.61       1.35      1.21[/b]
    2005  San Jose      64  2.00    2.77       0.72       1.39      1.44
    2006  DC United     55  1.72    2.71       0.63       1.35      1.27
    2007  DC United     55  1.83    2.74       0.67       1.37      1.34
    [b]2008  Columbus      57  1.90    2.73       0.70       1.36      1.39[/b]
    [b]2009  Columbus      49  1.63    2.69       0.61       1.35      1.21[/b]
    Without drawing too many outlandish conclusions, it does look like the Crew's 2004 and 2009 Shield-winning seasons aren't exactly the dominating performances of other winners, perhaps due to crazy parity those seasons or something; I'm not quite sure. I really don't know what any of it means, what conclusions to draw, or if anyone else was even curious.
     
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  2. Sirk

    Sirk Member+

    Apr 25, 1999
    Cleveland, OH
    You could have just emailed me and I could have given you all of that Normalized Point Score stuff I did, where I made an OPS+ type stat for team strength based on league averages. Multiply your results by 100 to get each Shield winner's NPS.

    (Oh, and instead of PPG, I took the total points in the table at the end of the year and divided by the number of teams. Then I divided each team's point total by the average point total. It's less work and has fewer rounding variances. The only year I used PPG is 2001, where I had to determine an expected point total for those who played 27 and 26 games.)
     
  3. eboe

    eboe Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    May 23, 2006
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Curious minds wanna know Dr. Sirk... what are your findings...
     
  4. Flyer Fan

    Flyer Fan Member+

    Apr 18, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    I remembered you doing something, but it was late and I was having trouble sleeping...
     
  5. Crewster

    Crewster Member+

    Jan 28, 2005
    Worthington
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In a nutshell, doesn't this just say that more draws in a year = more parity, so more draws throughout the league in a year = greater likelihood the leader will have fewer points than usual?
     
  6. Sirk

    Sirk Member+

    Apr 25, 1999
    Cleveland, OH
    Not necessarily. More league-wide draws in a given season could give the Shield winner a better chance to pull away. 2006 had a higher percentage of ties yet DC had 55 points.
     
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  7. scornflakes

    scornflakes Member

    Aug 1, 2009
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Du Nord links to this article about changing the benefits given to the Supporters Shield winner in the MLS Cup playoffs.

    Michael Lewis's idea is interesting and all, but I'd like to keep the playoffs the way they are, and then see an MLS version of the Supercoppa Italia, where the champion of Serie A plays the champion of the Coppa Italia. In the MLS version, the Supporters Shield winner would play the MLS Cup winner, and if it's the same side, then that team would play the runner up of the MLS Cup.
     
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  8. CaptainZ

    CaptainZ Member

    Nov 9, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sounds like an interesting idea.

    One thing I might change is just make the SS winner sit out the playoffs. That might put the SS team at a disadvantage since they'll have rested for quite sometime so maybe it wouldn't work out. Just a thought.
     
  9. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you'll see that a number of fans agree with the idea of a "SuperCoppa" or whatever you want to call it. I think this idea has been done in MLS once or twice, as an official kickoff to the next MLS season, and it is a good idea.

    Of course, they'll just keep scheduling our home opener against TFC. After all, TFC "has such wonderful passion and their fans travel in droves, thus creating a great atmosphere between rival supporters groups" or whatever spew the league is coming out with this week.
     
  10. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, by doing it this way, it gives the Crew an entire season to repair the stadium after the TFC fans act like idiots.
     

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