Sunday 14 Oct 2018

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Stuart95, Oct 14, 2018.

  1. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Minnesota United 0, Colorado Rapids 2 | 2018 MLS Match Recap
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2018/10/13/minnesota-united-0-colorado-rapids-2-2018-mls-match-recap

    Late skirmish, red cards mar Rapids' shutout win over Minnesota
    http://www.espn.com/soccer/report?gameId=502385

    New England Revolution 2, Orlando City SC 0 | 2018 MLS Match Recap
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2018...tion-2-orlando-city-sc-0-2018-mls-match-recap

    Orlando City skid continues with 2-0 loss at New England Revolution
    https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/orlando-city-sc/orlando-city-falls-new-england/

    DC United 1, FC Dallas 0 | 2018 MLS Match Recap
    https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2018-10-13-dc-united-vs-fc-dallas/recap

    San Jose Earthquakes draw Liga MX side Cruz Azul in friendly
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2018/10/13/san-jose-earthquakes-draw-liga-mx-side-cruz-azul-friendly

    DCU beats FCD late, takes over East’s final playoff spot
    https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2018/10/13/dcu-beats-fcd-late-takes-over-easts-final-playoff-spot/

    Columbus Crew SC poised for their biggest win of the year: staying in Ohio
    http://www.espn.com/soccer/major-league-soccer/19/blog/post/3668507/columbus-crew-sc-poised-for-their-biggest-win-of-the-year-staying-in-ohio

    Rapids praise Cole Bassett after first MLS start: "It's no surprise to us"
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2018...sett-after-first-mls-start-its-no-surprise-us

    San Jose's Wondolowski: "If it wasn't for the fans, I'd already be gone"
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2018/10/13/san-joses-wondolowski-if-it-wasnt-fans-id-already-be-gone

    Hochman: MLS bid promises more than soccer for St. Louis
    https://www.stltoday.com/sports/col...cle_2d23229b-58cc-5b65-95a4-d740c4551885.html
     
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  2. justink

    justink Member

    Jul 15, 2000
  3. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    those numbers dont make any sense do they? so they make ~$4.5 million before expenses on tickets ex concessions and payroll is about $11 million
     
  4. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Front office expenses, salaries for coaching staff, $1.5 million/year for their academy, $2million/year in property taxes, other taxes, travel costs, maintenance costs, cash calls from MLS etc, etc.
     
  5. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

    Seattle Sounders
    United States
    Nov 30, 1998
    on the run from the covid
    Club:
    Seattle
    I don't see how Montreal's attendance can be considered that bad. There is certainly worse in MLS. If it's still not good enough, that would seem to be a problem.
     
  6. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Their ticket prices are also fairly low..
     
  7. Zxcv

    Zxcv Member+

    Feb 22, 2012
    Why does anyone believe any figures stated by an owner about losses? MLS is one league where there is no incentive to boast about finances, and plenty of incentive to make the situation seem like Armageddon.
     
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  8. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except United wasn't on a losing streak (a 1 game losing streak isn't a streak).
     
  11. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Even if his plight is exaggerated...

    This is why most long-time US soccer fans want to make sure MLS continues to seek secure financial footings rather than chase visions of pro-rel, abolishing salary caps, etc. The game is on fair footing but not exactly bedrock. Too many teams are 1-2 bad seasons away from feeling a real pinch.
     
  13. PJohnson

    PJohnson Member+

    DC United
    Dec 16, 2004
    South Dakota
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll predict that IF the sale of Columbus Crew is completed...MLS will find a way to pull the rug out from under Frat boy Tony and his Austin project. He has embarrassed the investors enough.
     
  14. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    As delightful that may be I'm sure they'll see following through on Austin (with or without PSV) as an obligation. Minimize the bad blood and all that.
     
  15. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    As delightful that may be I'm sure they'll see following through on Austin (with or without PSV) as an obligation. Minimize the bad blood and all that.
     
  16. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    The number isn't believable as a P/L number. Back of the envelope-ing it, though, it's believable as a revenue 'loss' between what they're earning and what they could be in a fancier stadium. A slight attendance increase and slight concession and merch increase and $10 more per regular ticket * 20k attendance * 20 events a year gets you about half way there or a little more. Then figure suite revenue and better in-stadium advertising (and does he get any parking? that number would go up too) and the number makes sense.

    He's basically posturing that a $50M investment in stadium upgrades to get $10M more a year in revenue is worth it, but it's a lot less worth it if it also includes $2M more a year in taxes. I would respond in hushed tones that it's still probably worth it, but he's trying to get a tax break from the local government, so he's representing that he wouldn't do that.
     
  17. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    The Impact's numbers for 2018 are probably affected by Piatti's backloaded contract. The numbers would look less dire for 2017 with Piatta at 4 mil less.
     
  18. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Saputo claims the $11-$12m loss has been an annual loss, not just this season.
     

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