Sudamericano Sub20, @ Venezuela (R) (News, etc...)

Discussion in 'Chile: Selecciones Nacionales' started by HeartandSoul, Nov 24, 2008.

  1. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    Si es verdad, ademas no olvidemos que el ano pasado estuvo hospitalizado. No vale la pena lamentarnos por eso, ya que ahora Basay es el tecnico y punto, y el sabra lo que hace.
     
  2. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Ese es el problema...parece que no sabe... :(
     
  3. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Pondria a Barrientos y Pizarro desde el arangue y a Arce y Malgahles en la defensa. Jugaria con un solo punta. Saavedra en el arco. Malgahles, Labrin, y Arce en defensa. Aranguiz, Caroca, Medel por el medio. Sagredo como 10. Barrientos y Pizarro en la delantera. Gomez como punta.
     
  4. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Basay y como va plantar al equipo. http://www.latercera.com/contenido/656_95616_9.shtml Va aver cambios en la defensa pero no en el ataque. Chile formaría con Gregory Saavedra; Bastián Arce, Carlos Labrín y Bruno Romo; Paulo Magalhaes, Charles Aránguiz, Rafael Caroca y Alfonso Parot; Boris Sagredo; David Llanos y Mauricio Gómez. 3-4-1-2
     
  5. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Look on the bright side guys, Robinho can't play :p

    But seriously, Brazil's team is nothing short of mediocre. You have a good chance to win if you play like you did vs Bolivia. Brazil already struggles scoring goals, so if you play with men defending and counter attack, that would probably be the best way to win.
     
  6. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Thanks but did you even see the Chile vs Bolivia match?...Bolivia had the clearer chances and Chile could only score once Bolivia were 1 man down!!
     
  7. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    The only reason why we beated Bolivia, was because we put the ball in the net, and they did not. Plus they ended up playing with 10 during the last twenty minutes. I still don't see the Chilean team playing as a unit. With a couple of exceptions like Sagredo, Aranguiz and Medel, this team does not function. The best player so far has been the GK, Saavedra.
     
  8. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Gomez also gets an honorable mention. He's scored two goals when needed and created a penalty kick option vs. Uruguay.
     
  9. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Yes...Gomez has done his bit as well...

    I liked:

    - Gomez
    - Saavedra
    - Aranguiz
    - Sagredo

    That's it. Medel is not even close to Villanueva...
     
  10. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Thus far I've been very disappointed with Sagredo, not knowing when to properly distribute the ball.

    On the other hand, even though Medel had a poor 1st game, he came in as a half-time sub for Parot against Boliva and was influential towards the end. Medel assisted Gomez on the 1st goal, and crossed the ball directly to Pizarro in the second.
     
  11. toepunt

    toepunt Member

    Aug 24, 2003
    North America
    Era Ivo Basay bueno como jugador? me pregunto si el entrenador no era bueno en su propio juego, como puede enseñar a los jovenes a jugar mejor que el mismo? Talvez no tenga nada que ver lo uno con lo otro, pero a veces da que pensar.
     
  12. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    No. No tiene nada que vez. Pellegrini fue del monton como jugador pero en Europa es uno de los mejores tecnicos.

    Este equipo es normalito nomas...igual Basay tampoco es nada especial...
     
  13. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Basay era un muy buen delantero, concretaba las pocas opciones que se ofrecian en cada encuentro.

    Como tecnico llevo Santiago Morning al ascenso. El siguente año le fue mal en primera causando el fin de su cargo. Despues fue ayudante del pelao Acosta en la seleccion hasta tomando la responsibilidad de dirigir a la Sub-20.

    Ahora noto que Chile no tiene una defensa definido. Veo que Chile crea muy pocas opciones, concretando las pocas oportunidades cuando se presentan.
     
  14. toepunt

    toepunt Member

    Aug 24, 2003
    North America
    Yo veo a Chile sub-20 como teniendo buenos jugadores, pero el apronte que le dan al juego es totalmente equivocado. Muy lento y sin movimiento. Ante Paraguay van a perder otra vez.
     
  15. magia

    magia New Member

    Jan 5, 2005
    Asuncion
    Thats what I want, but what worries me Its that paraguayan defense from what I hear It´s cr:eek:p! By the way someby have some links to yesterdays goals? I haven´t seen them
     
  16. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
  17. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    La sensacion que deja esta derrota es rara, por decir lo menos. Jugando nuestro mejor partido, perdimos. Ahora tambien hay que reconocer que el planteamiento "timorato' de Basay, se fue al tacho de la basura con el gol a los once minutos del primer tiempo. Pero sobre el final del primer tiempo, y el principio del segundo tiempo, se vieron los mejores momentos del equipo, en especial en el tiro de Llanos que devolvio el poste. Pizarro deberia entrar antes, y tambien deberia tener una oportunidad Barrienntos, quien al parecer no ha jugado ningun minuto todavia. El arquero Saavedra tuvo un par de internvenciones buenas, pero el segundo gol sencillamente se lo comio. Ahora no queda nada mas que ganarle a Paraguay, o de lo contrario no hay hexagonal final. Ojala Basay entienda que el partido hay que entrar a ganarlo desde el minuto 1, y no regale el primer tiempo como ocurrio frente a Bolivia, y en alguna medida frente a Brasil.
    En cuanto a los paraguayos no son nada del otro mundo, son totalmente ganables.
     
  18. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Ok i was gone for a few days, hes my 2 Chilean pesos.


    First,

    Sagredo, has gone from bad to worse, he is supposed to be a playmaker, his job is to pass the ball to the strikers. All he does is try to pass the whole team by himself. Should get subbed for Barrientos.

    I don't know what Basay is teaching these kids. They don't pass at all. The strikers have the bad habit of holding the ball with their backs against the net from anywhere in the field, instead of passing it back to the midfields and do a forward run.

    I don't know why Labrin has passed the ball to the strikers more than the creative midfields themselves. He is playing Defense, Defensive Mid and playmaker.

    IMO Parot is by faaar the best player along with the Goalie. Logic would imply that if a player plays not just bad , but horrible, they get subbed. However, Basay insists with leaving Barrientos and Pizarro out. The worst imo is Sagredo with Medel. They are supposed to pass the ball, not the whole opposing team.
     
  19. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Team sucks.

    Let's recap.

    - Their physical condition is appaling for international level youngsters. With a few notable exceptions like striker 'Hormona'. The rest of the team look like they need their share of hormonas...they loose almost every 1 on 1. They cay can't jump higer, they can't run faster and they can't blody resist 90 minutes playing at the similar pace they started.

    - They have poor ball reception: Everytime they receive a pass the ball seems to bounce of them like hitting a brick wall.

    - Poor team awareness. Team play is almost non-existant. As the above poster said, these guys try and pass through all the oposition like they are bloody Maradona. The defensers just kick long balls to the strikers, reminds me of the crap Blackburn games.

    - Poor passing. Very linked to the previous point. Because they have little awareness of where their teammates 'in the clear' are...they tend to choose the most difficult passes which usually end in the boots of the oposition.

    - Poor concentration. The oposing forward players get through everywhere.

    - Little tactical order. Are they playing in any particular way?...I really can't tell because their tactical knowledge doesn't seem to go beyond standing in their designated space and not venturing out of their comfort zones too much. Overlapping? Very little...

    - Skill...there is some of it...but it is used badly.
     
  20. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    The problem is there is no REAL midfield players. Sure there is Aranguis and Sagredo. However, they act more like strikers. Once with the ball, instead of lifting their head and looking for a forwards, they just run with the ball everywhere. Like I said before, Labrin has more passes to the forwards than the midfield.
     
  21. toepunt

    toepunt Member

    Aug 24, 2003
    North America
    It is like a bunch of 6 year old. Chase de ball kids!

    Ivo Bassay obviamente no se da cuenta que pasa en la cancha con los dos equipos, y si lo nota, no sabe que hacer. Un total despilfarro de talento y plata.
     
  22. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    De plata mas que nada...vi unos cuantos talentos....pero los cuento con 1 mano.
     
  23. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    A este equipo no aparece un jugador destacante.
     
  24. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    Como lo dije en un posteo anterior, lo peor de este equipo esque no tiene un padron de juego definido. AL parecer juega de acuerdo al rival, o de acuerdo a las circunstancias del partido. Por ultimo creo que los paraguayos son ganables no son nada del otro mundo, aunque son temibles por arriba, donde la defensa chilena ha mostrado fisuras. Yo sacaria a Gomez y pondria a Barrientos desde un arranque, ya que necesitamos jugadores habiles que abran la cancha, y Hormona es mas para ir al choque. Tambien me la jugaria por Pizarro en vez de Llanos desde un principio. Por ultimo, no podemos regalar el primer tiempo ni nada, ya que estamos obligados a ganar. Tenemos que tomar la inciativa desde un principio.
     
  25. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Para que Chile gane el rival tiene que ser MALO. Si son mas o menos o nada del otro mundo, igual son mejores que Chile. :eek:
     

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