By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
  1. Bill Archer

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    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States

    Stuff I'm Not Writing About

    By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
    During the last World Cup I wrote about how Mexico fans need to grow the hell up and drop the "p**o" bit before FIFA grows a pair and forces them to. A day or so later, FIFA gutlessly decided to go along with the "quaint, indeed almost charming, local tradition" theory of homophobic insults, thus avoiding having to do something which would divert media attention away from the glorious pageantry of sportsmanship, love and fair play which is the quadrennial FIFA Cash-a-Palooza.

    What did happen however was that a whole bunch of wretchedly stupid fans of said team filled the response thread with a) laughable explanations of why using a gay slur is perfectly acceptable and b) descriptions of anatomically impossible acts which I should go ahead and perform on myself.

    What I also got was a bunch of private messages from other Mexico fans saying "those guys don't speak for all of us", to which my reaction was "yes they do if they're the only ones saying anything."

    So here we are two years later and FIFA has finally decided to get serious about it - they have now fined the FMF an impressive 8 times for this behavior - and, this having had no discernible effect, they have now installed cameras aimed at Mexico supporters sections in order to monitor fan behavior, as they now routinely do when dealing with lowlife fan groups known for violent and/or racist behavior.

    A truly proud day for Mexican soccer.

    After the first ConFedCup match last week, when the "p**o" chant came across loud and clear despite the fines and the pleading of the FMF and the players themselves, the Chairman of FIFA's Disciplinary Committee Anin Yeboah, (a Ghanaian Supreme Court Justice if anyone cares) instituted a three step program which, after an initial warning, instructs the referee to stop the game and issue a final warning to the fans.

    If it happens again the referee is instructed to declare the match suspended.

    The fans apparently got the message against New Zealand that FIFA is done screwing around with this garbage - the "p**o" chant was blessedly unheard.

    This doesn't mean, of course, that Mexico fans have decided to grow up, join the 21st Century and stop using vile homophobic insults, only that they've decided not to intentionally throw away a shot at winning the Cup for the sake of proving whatever point they think they've been making.

    Nonetheless, I'm not going to be writing about this because I just don't feel like wading through another stack of ridiculous justifications like "it isn't an insult", "it doesn't mean gay prostitute" and, my favorite "it's really a friendly term which we sometimes call each other, like 'dude' " since a) yes it is, b) yes it does, and c) so thousands of fans in the Azteca earlier this month were calling Brad Guzan "dude"?

    Next someone will tell me that throwing bananas at black players is an expression of concern for whether they're getting enough potassium in their diets.

    It's had a good run. Now it's time to stop. But you won't hear that from me.

    And while I'm not on the subject, I also won't be writing about the Confederations Cup.

    Partly because no one cares including, apparently, Germany, which sent a side no one could confuse with the actual German National Team.

    Mostly though, because this unloved tournament is going away after this year. Giananni Infantino claims they'll examine their options when the time comes but, in reality, everybody knows the score.

    For one thing, it's only possible because it's held after the European leagues close for the summer, but in four years, with Qatar as the host, a June tournament is out of the question for the same reason they moved the main event to December in the first place.

    And a December Confederations Cup would require lengthy player releases, which is a non-starter.

    The guessing is that if they decide Qatar needs some kind of dry run event they'll have them host the FIFA Club World Cup.

    Four years after that, in World Cup Norte Americano '26, there won't be any new venues that FIFA will need to shake down. As Sunil Gulati famously said back when South Africa 2010 looked like it was in trouble, the US can host a World Cup with six weeks notice.

    We won't be opening any new stadiums and nobody needs to check and see whether AT&T stadium in Dallas has decent media and telecom facilities or whether there are enough hotel rooms and restaurants near Soldier Field or if MetLife Stadium has sufficient road, rail and air access. Waste of time.

    In any case, the real problem, as illustrated this year in Russia, is that there are too many games that the locals don't want to watch and fans won't pay thousands and thousands of dollars to travel to.

    So since the ConFedCup has one foot in the grave anyway, I'm not wasting my time writing about it.



    Finally, in the "I Have Not the Strength Dept.", I give you Qatar, where the Supreme Committee for Delivery & Legacy, which is responsible for delivering the stadia and infrastructure for the World Cup, has delivered a most curious stadium feature:

    A "Sensory Room".

    Because the "general match day atmosphere" is "overwhelming" to some fans, a room in the brand new Khalifa International stadium has been fitted with "noise cancellation materials, soft furnishings, mood lighting, relaxing music and brightly-colored toys and equipment". These features are designed to manage anxiety and allow fans to watch the match from a "more welcoming and sedate" vantage point.

    That is to say, on TV.

    Since I have no desire to appear insensitive to people with cognitive disabilities who find attending soccer games to be overwhelming, I won't be pointing out that I can think of at least one other place where a fan could watch a match on TV in comfortable, "non-threatening and sedate" environs:

    At home.

    Why would someone pay to fly to Qatar, book an expensive hotel room and shell out for a pricey World Cup ticket package so that they can watch the games on TV?

    So because I clearly don't understand the whole thing, I'm just not saying a word about it.
     
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Discussion in 'Articles' started by Bill Archer, Jun 27, 2017.

    1. Puro_Sinaloa

      Puro_Sinaloa Member+

      Dec 3, 2005

      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      No, it's not an excuse. It's saying to do something about giving WC's to countries that are still stuck in the middle ages.
       
    2. Beau Dure

      Beau Dure Member+

      May 31, 2000
      Vienna, VA

      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      It doesn't work that way. I don't need to spend years immersed in Silesian culture to think fans of a few Polish soccer clubs should stop with the Nazi stuff. And I don't need to spend years immersed in whatever culture now has people throwing bananas at African players to know they should stop throwing bananas at African players.
       
    3. AEAAFC96

      AEAAFC96 Member+

      Mar 27, 2006
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      Arsenal FC
      Nat'l Team:
      United States

      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      LOL, seriously how is your "culture" any different from the ultras of Eastern European clubs who kick lumps out of rivals and even each other at the drop of a hat?
       
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    4. AEAAFC96

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      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      Now that I think of it, the best thing that could happen to force violent ultras out of clubs is raising ticket prices to the point where they can no longer afford them.
       
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    5. AndyMead

      AndyMead Homo Sapien

      Nov 2, 1999
      Seat 12A
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      Sporting Kansas City

      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      That's basically how England solved most of its hooligan problem.

      The irony is that the higher ticket prices weren't an attempt to stamp out hooliganism, but a result of the post-Hillsborough disaster laws that forced clubs into modernizing their stadium infrastructure. The ticket prices went up to cover the costs of investing in facilities.
       
    6. AEAAFC96

      AEAAFC96 Member+

      Mar 27, 2006
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      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if and when Roma's new stadium is completed, they might raise ticket prices to the point where their ultras will complain about it but the owners won't care because it's one less problem they have to deal with during games.
       
    7. It's called FOOTBALL

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      Mexico
      May 4, 2009
      Chitown

      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      Are you fcking serious, you're gonna compare a benign, friendly shout to fcking racism. WTF is wrong with you

      And Roger Allaway
      AEAAFC96
      AndyMead
      CMeszt for repping this utter garbage.

      You just proved my point that you people know sfa of what you're talking about. Butt out, you're only further embarrassing yourself.
       
    8. It's called FOOTBALL

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      May 4, 2009
      Chitown

      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      It's as different as night and day.
       
    9. AndyMead

      AndyMead Homo Sapien

      Nov 2, 1999
      Seat 12A
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      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      Benign and friendly. Right.

      I'm sure the ubiquitous laser pointer is just a benign and friendly attempt to make sure the referees and opposing team pay attention to the game.
       
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    10. It's called FOOTBALL

      LMX Clubs
      Mexico
      May 4, 2009
      Chitown

      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      This Andy cat is tryin to get these hands
      Again, you prove my point that you need to know our culture. 99.9% of the time when someone calls someone that word, it's his boy on the friendship tip. Me and my cousins call each other that all the time, no one gaf. There is no ill will towards the goalkeeper, sometimes he's even pretty respected. This is seriously a non issue. Go concentrate on the MLB fans who said racial slurs towards outfielders, Griffey Jr and Milton Bradley used to deal with shit. Hell, even Hammerin Hank dealt with racism, and he's a god. Go call out your own **********s, b, don't worry about us, we got it covered.

      I don't see any laser pointers anymore, and caucasians used them just as much, so you have nothing there.
       
    11. Beau Dure

      Beau Dure Member+

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      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      Well, you've inspired me with confidence.

      But using YOUR logic, you can't say anything about racist MLB fans because you're not immersed in "our" culture. See how ridiculous that is?
       
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    12. AndyMead

      AndyMead Homo Sapien

      Nov 2, 1999
      Seat 12A
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      Sporting Kansas City

      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      And it's not really racist because we say those things to our friends all the time.
       
    13. Beau Dure

      Beau Dure Member+

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      Vienna, VA

      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      Yeah, Andy. You're my *****.
       
    14. (They call him) RMc

      Jun 1, 2013
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      Celtic FC

      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      FIFA is worried about a chant, but turns a blind eye towards Russia's actual anti-gay laws and Qatar's sharia law lol

      This hits it on the head, I think. Most Mexican fans don't like the chant, but they also don't like gringos telling them what to do...and they especially don't like an uber-corrupt organization (who awards its signature event to repressive regimes) telling them what to do. So heels get dug in, even though they know that homophobia ain't cool in the 21st century.
       
    15. AEAAFC96

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      Arsenal FC
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      United States

      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      And I'm a cocker spaniel.
       
    16. AEAAFC96

      AEAAFC96 Member+

      Mar 27, 2006
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      Arsenal FC
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      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      Then you must've not seen the Ligiulla final between Tigres and America last year.
       
    17. AEAAFC96

      AEAAFC96 Member+

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      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      Covering the sun with your hand isn't covering the glare. Might wanna try harder there.
       
    18. AndyMead

      AndyMead Homo Sapien

      Nov 2, 1999
      Seat 12A
      Club:
      Sporting Kansas City

      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      Yes, your honor. I shot him because I really didn't appreciate those cops telling me to put the gun down. If they'd pay more attention to all the other injustices in the world instead of telling me what to do, everything would've been okay. But, you see, it's their fault for pressuring me to put the gun down, and not my fault for pulling the trigger.
       
    19. Beau Dure

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      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      I get it -- to an extent. FIFA and CONCACAF may be the wrong organizations to push for change.

      But other people, including many within Mexico, are also pushing for change. So maybe we can all unite behind or alongside them instead of shouting at gringos?
       
    20. (They call him) RMc

      Jun 1, 2013
      Club:
      Celtic FC

      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      I get it -- to an extent. FIFA and CONCACAF may be the wrong organizations to push for change.

      To put it mildly. (Then again, if they don't, who will?)

      But other people, including many within Mexico, are also pushing for change. So maybe we can all unite behind or alongside them instead of shouting at gringos?

      But shouting at gringos is easy. (And fun!)
       
    21. It's called FOOTBALL

      LMX Clubs
      Mexico
      May 4, 2009
      Chitown

      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      Jesus Christ, your post is so mind numbingly dumb, and I gotta call out AEAAFC96 and Roger Allaway for repping your garbage post.

      Who TF says we're not immersed in the same culture you are in, which is just as much ours as yours. Have you not seen the MLB thread in the MX section. We got hardcore Giants, A's and Dodger fans, almost all teams are repped. I'm a Sox die hard.

      Please, continue to make asses of yourselves. Andy and Beau, and all who rep you.
      No you're not.
      Do you enjoy constant shitposting. The Mexican GK chant is not a big deal, it's a fun tradition that has lasted years and will probably never go away. The racism that your people have shown at sporting events, is absolutely disgusting and reprehensible. Go fix that before worrying about anybody else.
       
    22. Beau Dure

      Beau Dure Member+

      May 31, 2000
      Vienna, VA

      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      To quote your own post ...

      Let me explain my point, which you're not getting because you're just responding with a bunch of unnecessary hostility ...

      Saying "You can't ask 'us' not to use this chant, even though many of 'us' agree that it's offensive, because you're not immersed in our culture" is just as stupid and short-sighted as saying "You can't ask Red Sox fans not to be racist, even though most Red Sox fans agree that the idiots in their midst shouldn't be racist, because you're not immersed in Fenway culture."

      I haven't disagreed with any criticism here of what a bunch of idiot gringos do. I'm not the one telling you that you have no right to criticize because you don't understand white-person culture. You DO have the right to criticize what is obviously racist.

      But here's the funny thing. Let's say, for sake of argument, that we don't have the right to say anything is offensive in a culture in which we haven't been "immersed" (which, again, is YOUR word and YOUR claim). I believe I've sufficiently refuted that argument, but just for fun, let's say I agree that we non-Mexican caucasians can't weigh in on "p***."

      OK then. Read this: http://www.conapred.org.mx/index.php?contenido=boletin&id=655&id_opcion=103&op=213

      http://www.latinorebels.com/2016/06...***-soccer-chant-and-what-we-can-do-about-it/

      https://www.glaad.org/blog/univisio...-voices-solidarity-lgbt-fans-during-world-cup

      Back from the hypothetical realm to reality -- IF all us ignorant white people were demonstrably WRONG about this, you'd have a point. Maybe that would be a bit like running into an Englishman who said "f--" when he meant "cigarette" -- but frankly, even in that case, you'd say, "Hey, mate, I know what you meant when you said f--, but you should probably just say cigarette from now on."

      This is not a case of ignorant white people misunderstanding Mexican culture. Univision and many people in and/or from Mexico find the word offensive, and they have a sound intellectual argument.

      So it's really not my business to tell THEM what to do with Mexican culture, now, is it?
       
    23. It's called FOOTBALL

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      Mexico
      May 4, 2009
      Chitown

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      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      I don't think it is, but I can't stop you. You can tweet them, give your thoughts on youtube, even protest outside of games. I won't be there to take your sign from you and give you a swift kick in the bum.

      But I will be in the stadium calling the GK that word. I love doing it, I feel no ill will towards him or any gays, so my conscience is clean. I hope the tradition continues, but if your side wins, it won't be a big deal, life goes on and we can make a new chant, perhaps calling the GK "TRUMP!" instead.
       
    24. Beau Dure

      Beau Dure Member+

      May 31, 2000
      Vienna, VA

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      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      I'm quite confident forces within Mexico will convince you to change what you're yelling quite soon.

      Hey, at least Trump was a choice. Not a good one, but a choice. Go right ahead and yell that. You could also yell "climate change deniers" or "oligarchy," too. We deserve it, and it hurts.
       
    25. AndyMead

      AndyMead Homo Sapien

      Nov 2, 1999
      Seat 12A
      Club:
      Sporting Kansas City

      Stuff I'm Not Writing About

      By Bill Archer on Jun 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM
      I pay the kid down the block to take care of my yard. Maybe I should start yelling "Mow my lawn" at him in playful jest. We could both have a laugh as I feel no ill will towards him or other Hispanic kids, so my conscience is clean.

      In fact, I think I'll start yelling that at Hispanics at sporting events, because I feel no ill will, and it's not really derogatory, it's just bros being bros. Right?
       

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