Strength of schedule WC winners

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  1. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    First method I used the avg. ELO of all opponents. Games which had no influence on advancement are excluded (e.g. BRA v. CRC 02, FRA vs DEN 98)



    Italy 82 1925
    Argentina 78 1921
    Brazil 70 1909
    Brazil 62 1880
    England 66 1880
    Spain 10 1873
    Italy 34 1871
    Germany 74 1871
    Brazil 58 1863
    Germany 54 1843
    Italy 06 1841
    France 98 1837
    Brazil 94 1829
    Uruguay 50 1828
    Brazil 02 1828
    Germany 90 1821
    Argentina 86 1801
    Italy 38 1757
    Uruguay 30 1700
     
  2. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    The second list shows the avg. ELO of opponents when facing elimination. In group stage this means that a loss/draw in this game makes you rely for certain results in the other games to advance further. (e.g. if you draw this game you might win all other and still get eliminated)


    Argentina 78 1962
    Germany 74 1960
    Italy 82 1960
    France 98 1940
    Germany 90 1907
    England 66 1906
    Brazil 02 1898
    Spain 10 1896
    Italy 06 1894
    Brazil 62 1890
    Italy 34 1871
    Brazil 94 1871
    Brazil 70 1869
    Argentina 86 1851
    Brazil 58 1849
    Germany 54 1843
    Uruguay 50 1828
    Italy 38 1757
    Uruguay 30 1700
     
  3. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Interesting numbers ... but I do not get the 2nd one if you give a few examples ...
     
  4. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    1) All KO stage game
    2) Group stage game where a draw/lose might get you eliminated
    e.g All 2nd Round Group Stage games (74-82), Spain v Honduras '10, Brazil - Spain '62, Brazil - Soviet Union '58, Italy - Cameroon '82
     
  5. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    thanks

    However I wonder if you accumulated points for team after each game, or simply use a fixed number of point ELO from beginning?
    In #1, you should add minimum points to the last unimportant game, no?
     
  6. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Funny how the two NTs on top are often seen as very imperfect winners. Perhaps it's the strenght of their opponents that make them look retrospectively as less than stellar.
     
  7. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Well especially Italy82 were struggling to find goals in their group stage (3 ties and 2 goals scored are the record for a WC winner: NOT ABLE to win a single game in group stage = and who were the opponents? Tough? Poland, Peru and Camroon ...
     

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