Matt Miazga playing for Alaves

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  1. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not be sanctioned by the FA basically
     
  2. So, going superleague rogues.
    Interesting though is the fact that the CL is fast loosing interest in Europe and the latest move of the UEFA to pamper the top clubs of a few leagues is going to worsen that.
    TV contracts are going down for CL matches in Euope as the number of viewers are going down (fast). In the Netherlands for instance it remains to be seen if CL is going to be on tv as the network that recently bought the rights sees dwindling eyeballs=less interesting ad sales. So the relentless push to keep the top clubs in the running is the main reason the CL is going down wards. The UEFA is partly saved by the revenues from outside Europe, but thes are in time slots not interesting for adverts to grow much.
    So a superleague is akin to an even worse CL format when it comes to selling it into the prime time slot environment it is in. CL is going down because of the top clubs/big leagues skewed favouritism. An even more selective superleague isnot going to get those eyeballs back. As matters are now the chances are more the opposite way.
    In fact I cannot wait for those big gun teams to shoot themselves in the head by going rogue. Bring it on and make my day.
     
  3. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I think, especially with a lot of Americans in the EPL, with these guys dropping multi millions of dollars. I Guess Ashely is asking in the 400 million pound range, which is over half a billion dollars for an EPL club. These guys are going to look at the North American model and think, wouldn't it be nice to protect this investment I just made with a closed European super league.

    So if these guys see the FA or FIFA or UEFA trying to say oh you can only sign English players, then you know the premiership won't be getting the best players in the world and the league won't be viewed as the best in the world (even though it isn't) and the values of these clubs are going to drop and the billionaires aren't going to be particularly happy.

    Really the only leverage right now I think FIFA and UEFA have is controlling access to the Euros and World Cup and the players want to play in the World Cup. That said, as the NHL proved this year, even if the players really want to play in the Olympics, they are going to chase the biggest check and they aren't going to tell the guy writing the check no.

    But who knows, I doubt the FA will make it even harder to get in the league now that they can exclude all the low level European players anyway.
     
  4. If you refer to the EPL and the English FA, the seperation from the FA for the EPL clubs would be a disaster for both. The EPL top clubs for a major part have their international following due to their chase for the CL spots. Going rogue means giving up that connection= no entry in the CL/EL.
    In contrast to other sports ( you mention the US big 4) national team play is sacred and no pro player wants to be left out from that. Even players from the EPL big 6 donot jump ship from the Africa Cup, while it's annoyingly ill dated, nor has there been refusal to play for continental nat teams, apart from personal conclicts with a coach. The big pay check comes from their club, but an almost as big paycheck comes from personal sponsors and players know that is linked to popularity as a nat team player.
     
  5. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    USA is the ideal target audience for the Champions League: we're capitalistic and frankly don't give a hoot about the old football homegrown tradition, and no one here cares if the mega-clubs are being used to launder money from illegal or semi-legal activities.

    To the rest of the world, the mergers going on behind everybody's backs are starting to get annoying. What's going to happen when a handful of corporations own most of the Top 5 League clubs?

    The Germans are probably the only ones to fight it tooth and nail, being the only country there with the middle class still strong enough to fill up a stadium and finance a club through the members, but for the rest, the Russian, Arab, Chinese and American sugar daddies are the only option.
     
  6. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    The Dutch, despite their normal inability to look a gift Euro in the mouth, are trying to fight it as well. Despite the Vitesse and ADO deal, KNVB has reaffirmed that orgs like Red Bull can't buy clubs and Twente was spanked over it's Portugalesque Doyen agreements that were "deceptive."

    It is a tension, though, as there are requirements that clubs be financially sound, and something like 10 or 11 were warned in the past couple of years. And there's no question lack of money is contributing to the Ered's slide in international standing. A good number of clubs are still "council" owned.

    It's a hard calculus: do you want to be a locally owned/fan supported civic organization that strugges to develope the next great player and whose fortunes are too often tied to transfer fees, or do you want to be flush with arms dealer/casino magnet cash, and import a lot of mercenary players who might get you a bit deeper in Europe...

    Or can you be "local" and successful?
     
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  7. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    China and east Asia also don't give a hoot about tradition. Which for any corp right now is the biggest target market. I won't rant about tpp but if the clubs have the USA market and Asia who cares about Europe
     
  8. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Well, in the Netherlands at least, clubs can't just do what they want. Even ADO, I think, still has to dea with Den Hague because they own the stadium (and the ADO fans can be among the worst hooligans in Netherlands, or at least were and I wouldn't want to piss them off too bad.) So there are structural issues in Dutch Footie, but in England, sure, if you can sell enough TV rights to buy a team, I suppose in theory the stadium could be empty, but I also think most of these guys can have it both ways. They'll pay lip-service to "British Football" but the starting 11 will be the best they can afford, and they'll throw chips money at the academy to keep the pols at bay.
     
  9. Well, my point wasnot about this. My point was that matches in the CL, or the SL to be, are in the time zone that's not interesting for Asian or American networks to generate the same money per minute ads.
    So either these clubs move entirely to the USA or China/India/whatever to ramp up the ads per minute revenue or it's financial contribution is dead in the water.
     
  10. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
  11. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
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    Manchester United FC
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    Ireland Republic
    Only if the free transfer part of the Bosman ruling is reversed. With that, the smaller clubs and the smaller leagues can get more money from the big boys for the players they've developed. It wouldn't level the playing field - TV money is too important now - but it would take the edge off the disparities.

    Even then, it's probably too late. Too many clubs in too many leagues - including La Liga teams - are privately owned for there to be any way back to clubs becoming, well, "clubs" again, with the entity owned by people who pay annual membership fees. What we're seeing now is the various privately-owned clubs being sorted according to their marketing value (Man U, Arsenal) and their international PR & global networking potential (PSG, City) with the gaps between them and the merely big sides (Newcastle, Marseiiles) widening all the time.
     
  12. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Yeah, the gap is going to increase, leaving the Ereds and SPLs and Champs leagues teams of the world further behind. League that's Doyen-up like Portugal will get a couple of rich teams.

    Philosophically, it really argues for a "Pan-Europe" league of top clubs, leaving the bottom 2/3rd of the "big 4" and the other national leagues to be "local" and making the Chelski, ManU, PSG, Real, Bayern etc. rich clubs a permanent "top league" but I don't think that ever happens.

    The "Atlantic League" or letting Celtic and Gers into the EPL has been around for ever, but there are too many structural impediments.

    It's not the end of the world - plenty of college football teams pull tons of support despite the NFL. Dutch fans will still go see their local team play, even if Ajax and PSV never make it deep in the CL again. Scottish fans still turn out for the big games. At this point, since you can sit home and watch games from anywhere on any given weekend anyway, if you don't have a "local" pull to a club, you're going to migrate to the "big" teams anyway, regardless of whether Ajax is ranked 20 or 25th in the world.
     
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  13. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a kid I basically migrated from whatever team was pretty good at the time, milan to real simply because those were the only games on tv. Later in Ukraine the only games shown were EPL so I cheered United over Arsenal for a year or two. Again simply because that's what was on tv every week. I could have tried to pick a hipster club to follow but before the internet streaming explosion the last seven years it would have been impossible.
     
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  14. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    BTW, Vitesse lost to Groningen today 4-2. Didn't see it, but press accounts have MM (and Vitesse in gen) with a poor defensive outing (giving up 4 to the tractor boys is by definition a poor defensive outing.) Our buddy Lars seems to have given Dabo a 10?! (unless it's a typo) on Twitter. If so, the Chelski loanee has finally turned his season around. He had not been all that in the earlier games I saw. (Edit, I think the 10 must -10, apparently Dabo had an amazing OG... so the turnaround perhaps has not arrived...)

    (Ok, edit again: here's the OG. Yeah... amazing and -10... what a tough year for Dabo...)

     
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  15. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

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    United States
    It's a negative 10. He followed up with #DaboOut #FraserOut
     
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  16. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Yeah, I figured it out after I read a match report... see the OG above. OMG OG.
     
  17. Yeah, and the beauty of it was that the goalie couldnot use his hands to prevent it, while then he would be red carded for a handsball preventing a goal.
     
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  18. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I don't think that's correct - but he would have given up a IFK on the goal kick line due to handling an intentional backpass (at least that's the rule in the US and pretty sure it's the rule internationally still) but nonetheless, even if the pass had not been a perfect chip, that's a tough ball for a keeper to handle. He could have had to chest or head it to space, collect the ball and pass it... Just a brain cramp of epic proportions. If you have to hit that ball, hit it wide of the goal so at worst you give up CK. Better yet, have a better first touch or beat your guy with some Chelsea touchline footwork... yikes.
     
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  19. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    The US uses FIFA laws so yeah, it's international as well - an indirect kick from the point of the offense (handling of the backpass).
     
  20. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    small pedantic quibble - if the keeper plays the ball inside the "goal box" ("6") the IFK is from nearest point on goal box line to where touch occured (in case you play LOTG trivia at your local watering hole!)

    So if the keeper had punched/caught the ball, which he should have, Groningen would have had an IFK on the goal box line directly out from where he touched it.
     
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  21. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Right. No offensive free kicks are taken inside the 6.
     
  22. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I just keep rewatching that Dabo video. It's kinda hypnotizing. That ball took off!

    What's also amazing is that happened at almost 60' - Vitesse was up 1-0 until then... and lost 4-2. Ouch.
     
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  23. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah- what a way to open floodgates on the match. Wow. That’s an epic fail.
     
  24. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's just as much on the keeper. He's back-peddling for like 5 seconds. Plenty of time to turn around and knock it over comfortably. When a defender or keeper doesn't come out of their back-peddle as the momentum of the ball or man is going passed them, they panicked.
     
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  25. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    He had a brain cramp too, likely because he can't play that ball with his hands. Of course, he should have punched it and given up the FK, but it's a pretty odd move and I'm sure he was hoping to get a play on it with his noggin.

    But no way a wingback should be wailing the ball at goal like that from safety. Worst thing happens is Dabo gives up a throw halfway to midline. Instead - IFK in the box or, worst case, goal!

    If the keeper has to head or chest that ball it's still very dangerous. You can't expect even a Dutch keeper to have those skills.
     
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