Stadium Proposal

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  1. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This would be a big step toward getting the stadium built, as the requirement that Indy acquire a place in MLS before the stadium could be built was in essence a poison pill. The bill still needs final approval, though, and that's hardly a given.
     
  2. stphnsn

    stphnsn Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS announced that they're expanding to 30 with Sacramento and St. Louis in position to be 28 and 29. Hmmm...
     
  3. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How many competitor cities do we have at this point? If we can get the stadium deal done, I have to think Indy would have a pretty good shot. On the other hand, if the league is determined to put a team in Austin (having failed to move the Crew), we're done.
     
  4. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Indianapolis
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Austin is already official, and they're factored into the same timeframe as Nashville & Miami.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_FC

    So, it's really who gets to be #30 right now. Our competition would be San Antonio, Raleigh/Durham (North Carolina FC) and maybe Phoenix.
     
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  5. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for clarifying.

    I'll be really annoyed if it's San Antonio. Texas, big as it is, does not need four teams.
     
  6. wingman2468

    wingman2468 Member

    Austin FC
    United States
    May 25, 2018
    I don't think MLS moves into San Antonio but Texas in comparison,
    • Australia has 2 million fewer people than Texas, and has the entire A-league.
    • Texas is roughly the same size as France or Spain.
    • Texas is twice the size of Germany.
    I think MLS has realized over the last decade that a part of soccer that has been lost in the US due to our massive size is the regional rivalry. The Midwest now has Columbus, Cincy, Chicago (likely St. Louis) and now you want them to consider putting a fifth city in the Midwest in the form of Indy, which I don't see happening.

    I do think they add a true western conference team, like Las Vegas or Phoenix.
     
  7. IndySoccer25

    IndySoccer25 New Member

    Indy Eleven
    United States
    Apr 21, 2019
    There will be a vote over the stadium bill today. Sessions starts at 1:30. Let’s hope we get some good news.
     
  8. IndySoccer25

    IndySoccer25 New Member

    Indy Eleven
    United States
    Apr 21, 2019
    The bill has passed the senate!
     
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  9. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fantastic news!
     
  10. IndySoccer25

    IndySoccer25 New Member

    Indy Eleven
    United States
    Apr 21, 2019
    Now we need to negotiate with the city/CIB to get a location. Shouldn’t be as difficult as getting it past the senate though.
     
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  11. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be sure, we’re not done. And the location is going to be crucially important. But this is a big, big step.
     
  12. jack sticker

    jack sticker Red Card

    Rangers
    United States
    Jun 5, 2018
    I will bet every penny that I will ever have that if a major city (by this I mean you already have a big 4 team) has a stadium and chums wanting to write a check for >$200M MLS will not turn you down. Its like a chick that goes to a frat party wanting to get laid chances are 1 for 1.
     
  13. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Indianapolis
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. antnee7898

    antnee7898 Member

    Oct 19, 2007
    South Houston, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Indianapolis
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He already signed off. The current issue now is where the stadium will be placed in the city. And then there's the matter of if it'll even lead to an MLS promotion.

    At the very least, the LIPAFC will feature new venues with this and the one in the Butchertown district in Louisville.
     
  16. antnee7898

    antnee7898 Member

    Oct 19, 2007
    South Houston, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are there not many places to put it? How's ownership, are they rich enough? Kinda sounds like a good deal so far.
     
  17. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There really aren't that many places to put it, at least not if the stadium is going to be placed downtown. There were more options when the stadium idea was first floated four years ago. But a number of those locations have since seen other development.

    The principal options in what might be called downtown are a large parking lot to the southwest of Lucas Oil Stadium (large enough to accommodate the stadium but probably not the associated residential/retail/office/park space that's part of the Eleven Park proposal) and the old GM stamping plant just on the other side of the White River from downtown (a site that is large enough for all of the development and that is crying out for development, but that isn't quite downtown). Broad Ripple is sometimes mentioned as a possibility, but it would present all kinds of logistical problems (traffic and parking would be a nightmare). And some other sites that are occasionally mentioned, like the now largely abandoned Lafayette Square Mall, are simply non-starters--the vast bulk of the fanbase simply wouldn't want to go there.

    Ersal Ozdemir is rich, no question, and he brought in some minority investors last winter, but as far as we know none of them is rich to a truly absurd level (a level that would allow them to fund the stadium development in full and pay an MLS expansion fee, for example). Of course the stadium itself is to be largely publicly funded and operated.
     
  18. GenWRX

    GenWRX New Member

    Nov 16, 2016
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
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  19. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great post, and nice work. One additional thing to take into account in trying to place the stadium is the desirability of a north-south orientation. We want to avoid the bad old days of Carroll Stadium, when the keeper at the east end of the stadium was often looking directly into a blinding sun.
     
  20. GenWRX

    GenWRX New Member

    Nov 16, 2016
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    I was trying to get them into the sites in the way that made the most physical sense, but the sun issue definitely needs to be considered. I think some of the issue can be resolved by the height of the stadium and with sun screens, all of which were not possible nor available with Carroll. I've tried to get comments from the team on the stadium progress, but without any success.
     
  21. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Indianapolis
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Twin Aire is ideally my preferred landing spot given that it could be the spark the near East side needed that the 2012 Super Bowl initiative wanted to see come to fruition. The only potential sacrifice may be that Laundry & Tan Connection. Plus, additional improvements to the Pheasant Run Trail could be incorporated.

    Lafayette Square is too far away from downtown to suffice the Eleven's initiatives, yet given the sorry state of the mall where it is now a withered husk that has too many cell phone accessories & used jewelry stores and only one anchor in Shoppers World, would anyone raise a fuss about its destruction besides the boobs who will inevitably go "it's got history"? I took several photographs last week inside and it's your standard "dead mall"; dilapidated infrastructure, lack of variety in stores, and failed gimmicks (remember the Great American Pizza Company disaster that resulted in that dead child and them closing immediately after, yet they never bothered removing the visage of the place?).
     

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