This, getting the stadium revenue as fast as possible is truly all that matters at this point. Anything else can be worked on afterwords.
Glad it was approved. . . I'm very biased as an AS Roma fan who really wants the new stadium. However, I do understand the criticism of the massive project from an architectural / environmental point of view and more importantly, that adding so much office space does certainly threaten renovation projects and tenancy in existing historical buildings. Preserving and encouraging the historical core of Roma as a vibrant mixed use community and not just vacation condos, restaurants and shops for ultra-wealthy foreigners should never be discounted as backwards thinking. That said, it seems the cut back in office towers will mean a cut back in public transportation enhancement. So, the new stadium will also likely preserve the Roman tradition of overly crowded, inefficient transit.
It has not been approved yet. All what happened was agreement with the mayor but the conference of services has to re-start from scratch all over again and agree to the changes made. Today people are complaining about Raggi's decision to agree to downsize the public work. The Soprintendenza process that was already initiated in regard to hydrological risk and cultural value in the site is still ongoing and hasn't been resolved yet. Moreover, Codacons announced today that they will appeal to TAR court to block the stadium. Senator Francesco Giro, representing Forza Italia, believes “it’s an agreement to start the whole process all over again and to build a stadium with a Mayor who will probably no longer be Virginia Raggi.” Italian Bureaucracy in all its glory.
At this point they wouldn't do that because of public opinion. To cancel or make serious changes at Tor di Valle would be an automatic dismissal for next term. The people won't have it. And what is codancons?
Consumer rights protection agency. The people voted for Raggi despite her clear public views about the stadium. I won't count on their opinion being a deciding factor in this fight. Heck there are Romanisti among us who are against the stadium for various reasons.
Wait, you said earlier she was for the stadium? Also, I don't think the the Romanisti against the stadium that's the issue, I think it's the 'Romanisti' who want the club to continue to languish in mediocrity so they complain that are the true problem
I said she was open for negotiating for the stadium after modifications. But it was clear all along she won't let the process pass smoothly. She got what she wanted but now there are other people who might not agree to the new changes.
So; she was against the stadium, but was open to it? She was against everything but the stadium, they are still building ancillary businesses but she won? The public works that were going to be paid for by the club are now cut way back and it's not clear who is paying for them. Based on your definition of 'winning' I love to play poker with you. The fact is there was a compromise and both parties gave a little and got a little. The clear winner overall is Pallotta and the club (if the stadium actually gets built) because he just increased the value of the club by a factor of 2 or 3.
Raggi seems a little clueless. By all appearances the deal she made has made the project worse for the public and city. They are talking about reducing the public infrastructure aspects by as much as half and even some of them being done after the fact. Which likely means that in the end it will end up being the citizens who pay for it. They are supposedly getting rid of the bridge that would connect to the Fiumicino highway and into Magliana. And for what? To get rid of a couple of skyscrapers and claim victory over the amount of cement used and preserving the skyline of Tor Di Valle. Seems like they painted themselves into a corner objecting to the project, and then unable to actually meaningfully oppose it they make a worse deal and try to claim a victory. Parnasi seems like the only real winner, as he still does all the real estate and commercial space and half the infrastructure. Now we need to hope these clowns manage to hold on to office, otherwise we have to go through this all over again with the next mayor.
That has to be the dumbest part of the entire fiasco. Do you realize how many cities in the world would have thrown a ticker-tape parade for an owner that was willing to pay for bridges, rail and other infrastructure upgrades.
Well they backed themselves into a corner and had no way out. In the end they chose what was best for them and their party instead of the city. Just a bunch of populist clowns that are only good for talking and blaming others.
My cousin in Rome doesn't believe it will get done at all and just pinged me this on a facebook chat.... boh speramo...... ...........
Baldassoni told Rai yesterday that the stadium should open by 2019/20 or 2020/21 at the latest. He said that the business park was always an element for the builder (Parnesi) not the club and it is not certain that the reduction in the business park reduces the amount of (public) infrastructure works associated with the development but, whatever happens in that respect, there will be sufficient infrastructure to support the stadium (such as transport links) and that area of the city generally. The important point is that all of the project which relates to the club - the stadium, training centre and Roma Village (shops, bars, restaurants, museum, brewery (which you will be able to visit)) remains intact.
Now we can see why Baldassoni has always been present during the American ownership, while other executives have come and gone!
This is Italy.................will be lucky if it was built in 10 years. When it is built though it will be top quality construction though.
How did Juve get their stadium done so quickly? Or was there years of this red tape I'm not aware of? Or nobody cares about Turin? Its one of the two
What remains incredibly frustrating about this whole thing, despite it being branded as good news, is that we do not have a date to break ground. We were expecting the Region to approve the project and for construction to begin. But right now we have no idea when that will happen.
.. and I'm guessing that if another person becomes mayor his administration will have to approve if construction hasn't begun. I'm doubtful this ever gets gone and if it does we'll be lucky if it's open by 2025
Not to get too philosophical, but this is the difference between Rule of Law v. Rule of Man. When you have rule of law, you have laws available for everyone to see and follow. As long as you provide the rules ahead of time, people have the opportunity and confidence that they can proceed in a legal manner. When you have rule of man, then the rules can change at any moment depending on who is in charge. There is no certainty and no opportunity to plan for the future. It is very obvious that Italy suffers from too much of the latter and not enough of the former. The bureaucracy and corruption is all part of it, but its really just the uncertainty that holds Rome and the rest of the country back.