Squad Barometer - Forwards Select 2

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by BorisG, Jul 5, 2017.

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Forwards - Select 2

Poll closed Jul 5, 2018.
  1. Werner

    29 vote(s)
    93.5%
  2. Stindl

    9 vote(s)
    29.0%
  3. Gomez

    13 vote(s)
    41.9%
  4. Wagner

    4 vote(s)
    12.9%
  5. Kruse

    2 vote(s)
    6.5%
  6. Volland

    1 vote(s)
    3.2%
  7. Selke

    1 vote(s)
    3.2%
  8. Platte

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    not sure why H96 even bother with such a poor striker like Wood, didn't help Hamburg one bit and now H96. Shame that Fullkrug is out for the season.
     
  2. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    would be nice if H96 get relegated if Weydandt is rescued by another club. But one wonders if he could be so disloyal to the club who gave him 1BL chances?
     
  3. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Thy made his Eredivisie comeback playing full 90 and assisting the last goal in PEC's 3-1 win over 3rd place Feyenoord.


    that win helps PEC get close to getting out of the relegation zone.

    here's the assist.
    https://streamja.com/jWKw
     
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  4. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  5. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think Kopke is a curious one, performs when given chance in friendlies and I've always seen + impression when he gets his 1BL scrap minutes,even today. But he never really plays much. mainly because he's the 3rd choice striker (maybe even 4th since Kalou sometimes plays uptop).

    although given the ages of Kalou and Ibisevic it's obvious he's there for the future and not as much for the present where he'll continue to be bench option.
     
  6. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    Let's hope Ducksch, Uth and Selke have strong performances in the Rückrunde. Haven't been the best start to the season for many of Germany's striker options due to injury and form. But can only stay hopeful for a better showing this point onward.

    Despite mention of sending out Kleindenst out on loan to 2BL earlier, seems like those talks have cooled off. Although it doesn't appear to be a plan from Freiburg to utilize him right now. So not sure if he's going to have much of a role if he stays.
     
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  7. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    Battle of German strikers in Hertha vs Schalke.

    Uth scored a great goal for Schalke to go up 2-1. Hertha then levels after at 2-2, Selke with an assist
     
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  8. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
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  9. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    Projections for the Rueckrunde, hopefully Uth can score 7-8+ goals while for Selke and Ducksch at least 5 or more.
     
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  10. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
  11. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    this matchday as of now

    Scorers: Uth, Volland, Holer, Niederlechner
    Assisters: Selke
     
  12. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    Felix Platte is actually pretty decent, although whether or not he's able to stay consistently healthy over the course of a season will define what happens in his career and whether he will get an opportunity on the first division level one day

     
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  13. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Platte off the bench assisting the winning goal today in 2BL. From 2:42-
    https://ourmatch.net/videos/29-01-2019-darmstadt-vs-st-pauli/

    nice ball from him to Dursun. But yeah his #1 and only issue is that he's never fit. But consistently shows promise and potential whenever he's fit. That 2016-2017 season he showed that he could play in 1BL as a 21 year old and his club was a struggling team that got relegated.

    even played CL vs Real Madrid.:DI really hope he can stay healthy and that by Summer 2020 he's back in 1BL, we need more 1BL strikers to increase our options.

    also got that height advantage of 1.90m, majority of strikers are below that.

    Another good reason for him to do well is that he's an option for the U21 in Summer. Seydel is taking way to much time to get fit and seems doubtful for U21.
     
  14. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    the way thing stand, CFs we risk losing due to relegation from Augsburg, Stuttgart, H96, FCN. 2/4 direct relegation and 1/4 playoff

    Not going to counting players from U19/II only ones who participated with 1st team during season in 1BL
    Augsburg: Schieber and then Hahn and Richter who are both W/CF but more W.
    Stuttgart: Gomez and Dajaku
    H96: Weydandt and Fullkrug
    FCN: Knoll and Palacios Martínez


    Adding due to possible promotion
    Koln: Terrode
    HSV: Lasogga, Arp, Wintzheimer

    does seem like some of the 1BL ones could jump ship to other clubs if they are the unlucky ones.

    In terms of 2BL, I do wonder which striker could make a jump. You look at the table.
    Terrode,Testroet, Lasogga, Serra, Beck, Glatzel seem to be the ones who are doing well enough, although doesn't mean there will be interest for every single one of them. What Glatzel and Serra have on Testroet and Beck is that they are young options, especially Serra.

    I noticed that we always say that if Freiburg doesn't renew Kleindienst's contract this season that possibly Daferner/Nieland/Pieringer could get promotion but we all forget that Freiburg have a CF on loan to 2BL Sandhausen 91-Schleusener. So they could promote no one and Schleusener is the one they go for.
     
  15. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    In terms of 2BL level, Thomalla has been relatively productive though in less appearances, has 6 G 4 A in 11 matches so far. Him and Glatzel are on their way to their most productive seasons ever.

    IMO, I wouldn't consider Beck and Schleusener to be 1BL material. Testroet may not necessarily draw interest either due to his age.
     
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  16. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    one can never know though, Hennings is doing well enough for a 31 year old striker who's whole career has been in 2BL and lower save for 1 previous season in 1BL.

    even Glatzel outside of his height where would he fit in? I think most of these strikers only interested teams will be ones who are in the lower end of the table if any. Serra is likely the only one that is likely to have more interest.

    always felt that most 2BL career strikers know that their best shot at 1BL is if their team gets promotion
     
  17. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    A bunch of them may be borderline 1BL/2BL quality strikers, but are kind of just filler options. Some will bounce back and forth between divisions, or drift abroad like Thy or even Mlapa and Quaner. Polter is kind of like another example of that.

    In the big picture and interest of future NT potential, I'd say Serra mentioned above is the only one that needs to be focused. After him, then we can only hope that other younger players like Arp, Platte, Krueger, Kaya and so on develop better for the future.
     
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  18. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
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  19. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
  20. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I really think for the sake of dev that strikers in Germany need to consider the Eredivisie, Austria, Belgium, Denmark etc route. Especially for ones where they don't have prospects to get chances in 1BL.

    not having 1st team prospects doesn't mean the striker is bad either. Between clubs only playing 1 uptop, lack of experience, coach not rating a striker etc. Plenty of reasons why it might not happen.

    on top of another glaring issue, 2BL isn't an amazing place for young strikers these days to get chances. That doesn't help anyone at all.

    Eckert for one said that he left Gladbach because there were no 1st team prospects for him and he actually managed to get playing time in La Liga, which is very commendable, since it's the best League in Europe and he went there from the B team.

    although seems like majority of German players don't want to leave until they make 1BL.
     
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  21. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    Yea hopefully less moves to the English Championship which have been a career killer such as Phil Hofmann and a bunch of others who wasted years of their career there stagnating.

    And more to the other leagues mentioned. I think it's a shame that despite having German coaches in Denmark (Zorniger) and Holland (Wormuth), there hasn't been more youth strikers transferring or loaning there. But at least Eckert is loaned now there, via from a La Liga club. Arweiler is at Utrecht's reserve squad but isn't doing well. Ragnar Ache seems to have been integrated over there early.

    Couple have tried in Austria in the past like Quaschner and Thomalla. Right now seems like only Adeyemi at Salzburg's farm/youth team
     
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  22. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    you forget German coach in Belgium (Royal Excel), coached by Storck. Even strikers who went to English 3rd division were busts.

    I think the real issue is that Adeyemi is the only top talent who went to those countries. Biggest potential after that seems to be Eckert, the rest they looked to have left Germany because they would have struggled to play at high level, more low end strikers.

    if better prospects were to move, there could be more potential success. And easier for them to attract interest from better clubs and leagues.

    Skenderovic (permanently capped by Serbia) is the only one who went to Austria on loan this transfer. Eckert only one to Eredivisie and Denmark and Belgium nothing.

    the last update I saw from Adeyemi or was it his agent? was that he seems to believe that he could get chances in Salzburg 1st team next season. Even TM has him at Salzburg in Summer. It's an interesting move since Salzburg is the biggest club in Austria and they make Europe all the time, could easily lead to a bigger move if he pans out.
     
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  23. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    interesting looking up Hoffenheim.
    98-Skenderovic currently on loan to Austrian Bundi
    97-Klauss currently on loan to Austrian Bundi
    96-Joelinton was on loan to Austrian Bundi for 2 seasons now main striker at Hoff
    95-Felipe Pires (W) was on loan to Austrian Bundi for 2 seasons. Now on loan in Brazil

    that's 1 guy per age group getting Austrian Bundi loan. Wonder if 99-D.Otto is next if he gets a loan next season??? which there is no guarantee especially if Hoff have 3 competitions. Most reports say that Rose could be next Hoff coach and he also plays 2 uptop and Szalai has expiring 2019 contract too. So he could keep the youngster around or think he needs some pro experience for the year.
     
  24. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Define young strikers. Nowadays if someone can break into first team as starting striker before the age of 23/24, playing regularly, should be considered early.

    And it happens worldwide. Other than Kane n Icardi, there aren’t many young top strikers emerging. Well, Maxi Gomez, Haller And Milik too but that’s about it.

    Many clubs are searching for strikers and I think other than France and England there’s a shortage of supply

    everyone needs to have a new definition of “young” age for strikers. Feels like everything is delaying

    Medical, diet n technology is improving, veteran strikers can last their prime till 34/35 (Glen Murray, Ibisevic, Molina, Quaglierella) ... so young strikers generally have to wait longer if they wanna start regularly. It’s like young keeper have to wait longer until 22/23 to get the chance to start regularly

    I think nowadays, young strikers mean 24-28.

    29-33 are still considered prime age; 34 or above are old

    It sounds ridiculous. But if u think about the role of Sports Science nowadays, the diet, the technology involved and medical... it is prolonging veterans’ career

    And don’t forget most teams only start with one striker, some teams are using false 9s like Napoli, Valencia, Gladbach, Dortmund n co.

    So every young striker has to wait until the veteran step down.
     
  25. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    if young strikers are 24-28, how does one categorizes your 19-23 year old? That's 5 years and 5 years post last eligible U19 season.

    in those 5 years players do play at whatever level, between 1BL-RL.

    when people talk about young strikers they are talking about youth NT eligible ones.
     

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