Sporting News Piece with anonymous player quotes on JK

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  1. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
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    This wasn't the first time lack of match preparation has appeared in an article with regards to team Klinsmann/Vasquez.

    Klinsmann's lack of detailed match-preparation left the players baffled. Before a crucial Champions League match away to Barcelona, striker Miroslav Klose was unsure whether he was supposed to pressurize his opponents high up on the pitch or defend deep. Bayern lost 4-0.

    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/raphael_honigstein/07/30/klinsmann/index.html#ixzz2QZ3V5Q5j
     
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  2. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Great, now we're going to get a bunch of videos of tactical planning during JK's time at Bayern to prove Klose is wrong.
     
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  3. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
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    Hopefully they will include the infamous PowerPoint slides that Hoeness railed about!
     
  4. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
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    You kids with your computers and powerpoints......
     
  5. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
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    FC Schalke 04
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    United States
    Not at all. Straus had a set of opinions and chose quotes that supported said opinions. All perfectly good journalism. The fact that someone as prominent as Howard has called Straus out for using 'old quotes out of context' just puts the TSN piece under more scrutiny.

    There is nothing incorrect in that particular quote “(Klinsmann) didn’t really say how we were going to play. It was a quick turnaround,” one U.S. player recalled. It just left an interesting impression that there was no tactical prep work.
     
  6. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
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    FC Schalke 04
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    United States
    Why would Boca have to say anything before he was asked? What did Clint say? Edu? Guzan?
     
  7. Hobo

    Hobo Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
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    Was this just speculation?
     
  8. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
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    "With Klinsmann, we had Powerpoint presentations and we spent thousands of euros on computers so that he could show the players in epic proportions how we wanted to play, with the emphasis on the word 'wanted','' explained Hoeness.

    "Heynckes has a flip chart with five marker pens which cost 2.50 each. He draws the opponent's formation on the chart and says a few things about it. We are winning games with Heynckes for 12.50 whereas we spent lots of money with Klinsmann for little success. A coach is not young or old, he is just good or bad.''
    http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/971868/bundesliga:-hoeness-delighted-with-frugal-heynckes?cc=5901
     
  9. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
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    FC Schalke 04
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    United States
    We did not see that quote in Straus' piece, just the Lahm quote. I guess it would have told an opposite story than what Straus wanted to tell.
     
  10. SPA2TACU5

    SPA2TACU5 Member+

    Jul 27, 2001
    ATX
    Lol, Hoeness is such an ass.

    The thing here is of course not about the length of Klinsmann's tactical talks, but whether the players a) understand what he's saying and b) have been trained to execute those tactics.

    I put great questionmarks over Klinsmann's (Vasquez?) ability to effectively do b.
     
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  11. Mr Martin

    Mr Martin Member+

    Jun 12, 2002
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    Oh yes, Hoeness is an ass. A very successful one. :D

    And those quotes are dripping with sarcasm and distain for JK. I doubt those two exchange Christmas cards.
     
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  12. Mr Martin

    Mr Martin Member+

    Jun 12, 2002
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    Do you really not see those quotes as a massive criticism of JK? Or are you just pulling our collective legs?
     
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  13. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
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    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
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    :rolleyes:

    Strauss said he spent more time with and quoted Klinsmann more than any player in the article. . .

    Klinsmann said it’s all by design.
    “They all want the safety net. They want to always feel comfortable, but if you want to elevate the program to another level, you need to go to a phase of being uncomfortable out there and then deal with that,” he said.
    He doesn’t want players knowing the lineups before game day because he wants them competing hard up until the last minute (and not sharing the information with confidants who might leak it to the press).
    As for unexpected changes in tactics or formation, well, dealing with that is part of being an elite player as well.
    “On that level that we operate," Klinsmann told Sporting News on Sunday, "and maybe I’m a bit different from whoever was there before, you expect players to adjust right away to different tasks on the training field, to different formations, to different ways of solving problems. That goes back basically to leaving their comfort zone. We do that in training sessions, too. And, yeah, it makes them kind of worried.”
    “Now suddenly it’s a higher level. Suddenly I have to adjust in training or suddenly I don’t know if I’m in the starting 11. Or I have to switch (formations) and still I have to solve it on the field. I have to build chemistry with the guy I never see when I come into camp. When all those elements we throw at them now, because if we don’t do it, it’s too late in the World Cup.”

    “I understand that first there’s always an uncomfortable feeling with every change you bring to a team environment in any industry you work with,” Klinsmann said Sunday, asking, “If any of the players that you talked to said what he can do to solve the problem. ... If they feel that way, which is fair enough, then they can actually do something about it. If the players were to ask a German-American about his background ...”
     
  14. soccerusa517

    soccerusa517 Member+

    Jun 23, 2009
    Ohio
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    The article was nothing but positive. If nothing else it established "an us vs. them" mentality within the team. A rallying cry from Bradley. Behind the scenes it's possible some of the players had a "talk" perhaps to clear the air.

    The fight in the national team might be back. But they need to create more scoring opportunities.
     
  15. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Actually, "emphasis on the word 'wanted'" tells the exact story Straus was trying to tell.
     
  16. Foolishness

    Foolishness Member+

    Aug 15, 2012
    1. Klose is never wrong.


    Also, Do we really need to talk about Bayern losing 4-0 and trying to push the idea it's all JK's fault because a striker didn't know how to play?
     
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  17. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
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    FC Schalke 04
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    That is the question. We will have the answer by September. ;)

    Looks like unlike FC Hollywood, the USSF had no issues spending a few tens of thousand $ on tech gear.

    After further review:
    Dolo does look very confused at 0:25 (Vasquez) in the pre-match 1 on 1.
    MB looks confused and angry at 0:27 (Herzog) in the pre-match 1 on 1.

    MB and LD are playing teacher's pet by sitting up front at 5:26 in the tactical pre-match review.
    Is MB really interested or trying to keep from falling asleep at 6:03? Mo looks entertained.

    http://www.ussoccer.com/media-library/Videos/US-Men/2012/06/120614-BTC-Deal-with-It.aspx
     
  18. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
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  19. Adiaga Two

    Adiaga Two Member+

    Oct 4, 2008
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    fyp

    If anybody in the player pool should be a fan of the direction Klinsmann has taken the national team in, it's Graham Zusi.
     
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  20. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
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    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
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    Okay, let's give this a rest. News and analysis this ain't.
     
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