This^^ In a vacuum, with the standard set in a game, that could be a PK. But it it's not an initial foul on the attacker, it's tough to then call essentially the same use of arms against the keeper.
I disagree, @socal lurker. I would never classify that as the same use of arms. The goalkeeper is in trouble. He’s made a huge error. At most, the attacker is using a “swim move” to get around the goalkeeper. He’s not holding or pulling him back—he just wants to get around him. The goalkeeper, once beaten, wraps his arms around the attacker and clearly pulls him back. He’s successful, too. The only reason he can make a successful tackle is because he’s unfairly held the attacker back. Yes, I have a penalty. It’s also DOGSO red. I suspect the referee would have the same with benefit of replay. Surprised the AAR didn’t intervene.
Two former Spanish referees with differing opinions. Juan Andújar Oliver refereed 168 La Liga fixtures from 1981 to 1995. He felt it was not a penalty. "No hay penalti: existe forcejeo entre Rodrigo y Pickford, pero no agarrón". #LaPolémica del España-Inglaterra, por Andújar Oliver, árbitro de @Marcador https://t.co/oDVgeCX0YR pic.twitter.com/Ytqro4uT0R— MARCA (@marca) October 15, 2018 Eduardo Iturralde González officiated 291 La Liga matches from 1995 to 2012. He felt it was not only a penalty but should have also been a red card. 🇪🇦🆚🏴🗣 "No solo es penalti sino que además es roja" https://t.co/GaPVshcjWl— Diario AS (@diarioas) October 15, 2018
That's fair. But I guess I disagree about the scope of what the attacker did. I think that is a foul by the attacker to get through the GK, which is what sets up the situation for the GK to foul him back. Once that is let go, I think the GK gets a bit more latitude. I do agree that the hold would be DOGSO-red. (I'm sure the fact that I was a GK has nothing to do with my view on this play. )
Same game. I presume @RedStar91 will enjoy this: No había visto esta agresión contra Sterling. Sergio Ramos es un troglodita miserable. No cabe duda de que quiere desbancar a Luis Suárez como el personaje más detestable del futbol mundial… https://t.co/aHSZiGl9c2— (((Oscar Gastélum))) 🖤🇺🇦🇮🇱 (@RockStroke) October 16, 2018
Remarkable with Ramos! In a weird way, I admire how unabashedly dirty he is as a player. He has no shame about it. If he doesn't get sent off this season with VAR in Spain, then the system really needs to be scrapped.
I don’t know a lot of Spanish, but it’s pretty obvious Oscar does not think highly of Sergio Ramos. I also agree that in a twisted way, I kind of admire Ramos for just how shameless he is.
As a fan of Barcelona I have no love lost for Ramos. However, as pertains to this incident... 🛑🤔🤐Nada más que decir.Nothing else to say. pic.twitter.com/BCuQI3n7hT— Sergio Ramos (@SergioRamos) October 17, 2018 Similar to the 1998 Esfandiar Baharmas 'controversy'?
For me, replay from a different angle appears to exonerate Ramos from any wrong doing despite his reputation. What caused Sterling to stumble and grab his shin (just before Ramos arrives), maybe only he knows.
It does look like that but it's a very strange video as it appears to show the same thing three times from the same angle, with the camera zooming out each time. I'd like to see this juxtaposed against the other available angles (the original tweet I linked to is now gone). I still can't quite understand why Ramos made a move over toward Sterling and seemed to make a stamping motion.
I still have the match on dvr but it's tough to find it online to post here. 54th minute Jonny and Sterling go for a loose ball on the edge of the area. Jonny is just beaten to the ball and he catches Sterling on his left foot. Not sure how this has been missed. Sterling is on the ground directly due to this obvious foul, where Jonny stood on his foot. This is why Sterling was in pain, nothing to do with Ramos pic.twitter.com/Ll6mdVLaUv— Ben White (@benwhite) October 17, 2018 Sterling goes down and doesn't appear to be injured... until he tries to get up and grabs his... shin? (see video from Ramos tweet). Ramos approached Sterling seemingly to confront him, probably thinking that Sterling took a dive and was looking for a penalty.