Socialist Ticket: Obama/Marx

More stuff big john wouldn't say to Obama's face. Of course, it is interesting to define going back to the top tax rate at the end of two Reagan terms as "socialist." It's also the same top rate prior to 2001.

bush's primary -- as far as I remember only -- justification for the reduced tax rate was to give the surplus back to the American people. I didn't agree with the argument but at least it was grounded in something. Of course those tax cuts that were past had an expiration. Once that justification was gone (along with the surpluses) there was no good reason not to return to a rate that had shown good balance in the system for more than a decade.

Now a return to that tax rate with additional cuts at the lower rates is considered socialist. Good to know. We have a progressive tax system. Obama has proposed a tweak back to where we were before bush.

 

Luke 18:22-23
[22] When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

[23] When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth.


So Jesus was a socialist community organizer too...

You're response?

 

if you're confused about that, it is a matter to take up with your preacher or pastor.

Have you sold everything you own and given it all to the poor?

 

Jesus would be pushing a 10% flat tax, but then, as Mike Huckabee pointed out, Jesus was too smart to run for public office.

 

Remember all those jackasses who made videos comparing Bush to Hitler? Remember how much you guys pretended that you were offended? Remember that? All that phony outrage?

You know how I know it's phony? Because of all of the Obama-Osama-Marx stuff coming from your side's loonies this year.

 

I'll agree with you with the Obama-Osama stuff.

But Obama-Marx? Unless I've forgotten my history (which is possible) Marx never murdered millions of people like Hitler. Now if the comparison was Obama and Stalin or Lenin or Che, you'd have more of a point.

 

Like, say, this?



Or this?



Or maybe this?

 

I will not defend those. Point taken (first I've seen anything like that).

 

And I'm not particularly offended by them, because I recognize they're the work of kooks and knuckle-draggers, just like the Bush-as-Hitler ads that people submitted to Kos four years ago. The hysteria is pretty absurd.

I am legitimately bothered by some of the anger being exhibited at McCain/Palin rallies, however.

 

You may be right about the posters, comparisons and name-calling but what from our side to liberals compares to what the New York Times has done to Joe the Plumber? He asked an honest question and, besides the slightly odd answer he got in the moment, was an anal exam by the "Nation's Paper of Record" which was mostly inaccurate and totally dishonest.

I think there's also a running level of tit-for-tat involved with the comparison of the current President (whoever they may be) to some extreme or another of political history. Get over it. Personally I wasn't too outraged over the Nazi comparisons because I'm capable of "considering the source." But if they actually made false claims I might make a comment about it to them, but generally I tend get out of the way to let people make an ass out of themselves. Saves effort on my part anyway.

As for me personally, I'm more worried about the followers of this man then the man himself. He has a lot of ideas I don't much like but some of his followers get ********ing crazy when you question him. Way worse then I've ever seen from a Bush supporter, and I've had to call more then a few of those guys down for being nuts. Well, that, and the fact that I've already been accused of being racist for not liking him. That kind of thing will send political discord in this country to a fresh new hell.

 

Jesus was dress-wearing, commie redistribution of wealth pinko pussy as far as I'm concerned and his grossly incorrect ramblings about human nature and reality (if they were really his) have no place in my Republican Party. How's that, ********stick?

 

I think the comparison of that Obama image (made his own people, no?) to the Korda/Fitzpatrick Che icon is a valid point on an artistic level. Perhaps that's Barry's way of trying to solidify the latino vote...

 

You should rejoice, the anger is an indicator of frustration. They've got a stiff for a candidate and virtually no hope. Palin was McCain's big gambit, and the gambit was unsound.

As far as the Marx business goes, that's just silliness that Obama can brush off like a fly. McCain keeps pulling the trigger but he's got no more ammo.

 

The difference is that mainstream conservatives - at least here on bigsoccer - don't quote (and probably don't even read) the fringe right stuff. How many people besides ITN quote Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh and the further fringes? Yet the idiots on the left have a whole thread praising Olberman, link to CommonDreams and DailyKos and praise Air America - an entire radio network that makes daily Hitler comparisons. Hell, the other day someone on Air America said that if we elected Mccain we would be less free than China. And then 10 callers call in and agree.

 

The one thing I have been proud of on bigsoccer is that both the left and the right thinks LiverpoolFanatic is a tool. He's sort of like InTheNet, no one wants to claim him.

 

In a normal economy, Clinton never would have had a surplus but he was lucky enough to be President during the 'easy money' policies of Alan Greenspan which created false liquid assets.

The Bush tax cuts were the right thing to do and the right thing to do now. The Austrian school of economics has been proven right time after time after time. The problem is not the tax cuts, it's the spending....and the war(s) is a big problem.

If you want proof that tax cuts work, look at the misery index of the late 1970's versus the late 1980's. Or look at the early 2000's economy and how we got out of it (granted this too was aided by easy money manipulations) Let's not forget that the US is not the only Country having financial issues right now, those socialist countries with high taxes are falling like dominos.

By the way, I oppose the bailouts and I oppose Bush's spending, I am not a fan of Mccain and I think Nobl Prize for Economics is no longer relevant now that Krugman has one (still - far more Chicago style economist have won nobel prizes than left wingers). This is Microwave and I approve this message.

 

or as Colin Grabow once said "Jesus may have been a great man but he was not an economist." 'Capitalism and Freedom' is more relevant today than the bible anyway.

 

As far as conservative commentary/opinion goes I see your point on Ann Coulter, she our side's equivalent of the left's Maureen Dowd. You have to wonder who thought it was a good idea to publish anything either of them have to say as speaking for their side. But at least it's the left that's riddled with people like Ann, not the right.

Rush, on the other hand, I think is actually closer to what I'd consider a mainstream right-winger to be. Sure he has some strong opinions, but he's also pretty savvy about what's "way out" Birch Society nonsense. He's calling Obama a socialist because, for the most part, it's the truth. You'll also notice he isn't too happy about major elements in McCain's resumé either. Generally he's not as way out as the press makes him out to be, he's just doesn't cower down when they try to shame him into backing off whatever he's on about at the moment. To me, his biggest sin, bigger then his general cluelessness about CEO pay, is his ego. Way out of control...

Now, if you had said something about Sean "Republican Fanboy" Hannity or Michael "Doom&Gloom" Savage, I would have agreed completely.

 

The only person who ever linked to CommonDreams on a regular basis was Mel, and he hardly posts anymore. I haven't seen many references to stories from Air America--honestly, I think you guys listen to it more than any of us do--and Kos is hardly mentioned much at all. Olberman does, indeed, get quite a bit of attention, but even Superdave is getting sick of him. Rachel Maddow is quite popular on that forum, as are Talking Points Memo, War Room, Huffington Post (to some degree), and The New Republic.

Archer used to cite FreeRepublic, which is nuttier than everything except for CommonDreams.

 

I never understood Olbermann's appeal, going back to when he was a sports reporter here in the SF area. He would make these incessant sarcastic remarks, but only a small percentage were funny, usually they're not and his pompous delivery of unfunny jokes makes him very annoying to me.

Ann Coulter has more humor in one of her columns than a year of Olbermann. She's a cut above the likes of Rush and Hannity, she's smarter and funnier and not such a flagrant GOP infomercial. The libs hate her because she ridicules libs with bilious precision and they can't take it. Letterman and Stewart have teams of writers doing it to the right every night, but the libs just can't tolerate any similar thing done to them.

Fox tried to lampoon the libs with a pathetically lame show some time ago. Man, that thing was awful. For some reason, the universe favors late-night TV comedy for libs and daytime radio talk for conservatives.

 

I've said this before, but I think Coulter is quite intelligent (if crazy) and that she's intentionally being shocking more than serious. I believe that she used to be (and perhaps still is) good friends with Bill Maher. Birds of a feather . . .

I suspect that she's being kept out of the public eye right now, because she's exactly the kind of person to make a "shocking" joke about Obama that crosses the line and hurts the GOP. That's my theory, at least.

I haven't watched Letterman in years, but he used to lampoon Clinton quite a bit.

 

I agree with you about Olbermann. Never really liked him and I don't think being on the air as such an obvious partisan is any more helpful to public discourse than Hannity and O'Reilly.

On Coulter, I completely disagree. I appreciate humor and comedy as much as anyone. There are conservatives that I find very funny. Dennis Miller comes to mind. Ben Stein is a riot. Coulter understands the game and profits from the fringe media that has been created for both sides. It is ridiculous. Most of her "humor" is personal and goes directly after the person. Has she had some funny lines? Sure, I'll concede that but she is not a funny person.

Btw, I have listened to conservative radio from time to time and a little bit of Air America when I am on the road (we don't get it here). It's all pretty much crap. In fact, about the only ones I can stomach are Dennis Miller on the right and Rachael Maddow on the left. They are both smart and funny.