Soccer America has 12,763 subscribers

Discussion in 'Business and Media' started by MetroStars4Life, Aug 12, 2003.

  1. Bill Schmidt

    Bill Schmidt BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 3, 2003
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've been following soccer for ten years, and I've been reading World Soccer since 95. Before I discovered Big Soccer, WS, the Sun, and team Web Sites were my main source of information. I live in the L.A. area and the first I heard of the HDC was from World Soccer. When I went to the opening game there, some people were handing out free copies of Soccer America. That was the first I'd ever heard of it. They should have about every other serious high school and college player on up reading it, like the Independent Rowing News for rowers. With the availability of FSW, Livescore.com, and all the other Web sites, you're right about the lack of immediacy in the magazine. It needs to be less news-oriented and more feature-oriented, like World Soccer. They could definitely copy some of its features, like Soccer Cities, and teach everybody about the soccer scenes in different American cities.
     
  2. Handing out copies of SA at MLS games makes a lot of sense. They reach their prime target audience without buying any bogus mailing list.
     
  3. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Heck their mailing lists are the ones we used to want to buy. Now its Eurosport - and I bet that's a great list for them to have.
     
  4. galaxybg

    galaxybg BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Sep 28, 2003
    southern ca
    Focus on youth marketing. Future customers are teenagers now. What's the point in waiting for them to grow up and bank on them enjoying what MLS/media has to offer. Give kids what they want now - create heroes in the media, connect kids to thier passion of soccer, show the players what they have to look forward to on their home soil.

    It's features, profiles, personality through the media. Not score = Team X 1, Team Y 2. If baseball can be made exciting in the media, how can soccer not be?
     
  5. galaxybg

    galaxybg BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Sep 28, 2003
    southern ca
    Re: Other sports magazines?

    TransWorld Skateboarding, Thrasher, TransWorld Snowboarding, Surfer all have 60k plus subscribers on up to 200k circulation. Good paper, amazing photography, in-depth content and interviews. Also, every single one has a web site + web savvy readers that read news when it breaks; but buy and read the mags because they are exciting.

    TW Skateboarding made $40 million dollars in 2002 and is in the top 25 US titles for quantity of ad pages sold in 2003. There are less than half the number of skateboarders than there are soccer players in the US. Add in the number of fans (that don't actively play) and the US market size is/can be more than large enough to support a media outlet that gives us what we need - entertainment and excitement!
     
  6. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    Isn't that what they're doing with the feature approach they have now?
     
  7. galaxybg

    galaxybg BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Sep 28, 2003
    southern ca
    yes and no. you can count on a couple feature articles, but it seems to me they can make that copy more interesting.

    my magic wand would cut all the stats, tournaments, etc. we all get that here. drop it to 12 issues a year and focus on producing exciting content - half the issues, twice as thick.

    maybe leave in one or two special issues a year like one annual tournament schedule and the yellow pages - seperate the trade and the consumer completely.
     
  8. I would go the other way by making it a weekly. Twice the issues, half as thick
     
  9. Russell Richey

    Russell Richey New Member

    Jul 9, 2002
    Birmingham, AL
    I'm an admitted lurker and way late into this dialogue on soccer pubs (the thread has been one killer-quick, highly educational insight into the skinny of the soccer mag scene) . But I'm a marketing-research type and I do a good bit of magazine-positioning studies and readership surveys, etc. - mostly for mundane titles such as Progressive Farmer and Coastal Living whatever - I somewhat think I know my game magazine-biz wise. Yet I'm still puzzled as a nut-megged defender as to why there isn't a soccer pub in the US that hasn't truly taken a hill there buns-up-kneeling for the taking.

    SA has the good name, history, the brand identity, hell, they've got content deals with major digital media purveyors - Yahoo for one. I agree that their direction seems fragmented, but are they so rooted in the fanzine-cum-trade mode that they can't see? Maybe SA knows soccer but just don't know magazine marketing - Dunno.

    What tweaked me to respond to this thread was seeing reference to the skateboarding mags - I'm thinking that these pubs are chugging along their merry way producing what one would guess are decent balance sheets - and nobody, outside I suppose their affinity group or core target market, probably even knows these skateboard titles exist!

    Why isn't there a US soccer mag at least at a comparable level in terms of circulation/ad sales, etc. to these skateboarder mags?
     
  10. WayneColasinski

    Oct 26, 1999
    Plymouth, MI.
    I think SA could be that magazine. I first subscribed to it in the 70's and continued until 3 or 4 years ago, although I still pick it up in a bookstore when it's available. I think their problem is that they try to be all things to all people. Quite frankly, I don't want to pick up an issue that is all about soccer camps for the kiddies, or tournaments or even college selection. They can put all that crap in Soccermom Weekly. I want a publication that reinforces or generates interest in professional soccer (primarily US) and the national teams. I like to see it written in such a way and in such a style that even a non-soccer sports fan would browse through it. SA certainly has access to some of the best soccer writers in the States. ANd for being the prominent soccer pub in the US, I think ther coverage of the A-League and even PDL is very spotty. I've always felt that if our best soccer mag has such inconsistent coverage, how can we expect the non-soccer media to jump on board.
     
  11. galaxybg

    galaxybg BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Sep 28, 2003
    southern ca
    positioning

    It seems that for the past thirty years and still today, "America" is the thorn in the side of "Soccer America".

    Is there enough content in the US to support a twice-monthly soccer mag?

    They are the best we have and will flourish in the near future when professional soccer grows in the domestic marketplace.
     
  12. cougarslayer

    cougarslayer New Member

    Jul 30, 2003
    SoCali
    Re: Re: Other sports magazines?

    I'm an editor at Transworld and grew up playing soccer. I completely agree with you. The numbers don't lie. There are certainly some obstacles, but I think a magazine like this would not only survive but help breath some life into the sport. Kids want to be cool, and how the mainstream media is portraying soccer right now ain't making kids too stoked on the sport. A Transworld-type soccer could create culture for the youth players and keep them hooked on the sport through their formative years.
     
  13. With Soccer Digest gone, SA may pick up a few new subscribers.

    Although SD still accepts new subscriptions on the internet.
     
  14. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Welcome back. Knew you wouldn't stay away.
     
  15. PZ

    PZ Member

    Apr 11, 1999
    Michiana
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Re: Other sports magazines?

    So, if you're an editor there already, why aren't you starting something? ;)
     
  16. Napoli_Ultra

    Napoli_Ultra Member

    Jun 9, 1999
    Lorton VA
    Club:
    DC United
    I don't subscribe to SA because it is too expensive. Besides, I can usually read through the whole thing while I am at Borders waiting on my wife to figure out what she wants to buy.
     
  17. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    what are you doing here?

    --
    Now that editor guy...get to work on our new cool mag, and hurry!
     
  18. ??? sitting in my chair, typing on BigSoccer ???
     
  19. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry for the confusion, that was directed to Kenn.
     
  20. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Where do you find SA on the newsstand? I didn't think their print run supported newsstand distribution any more.
     
  21. dcajedi

    dcajedi Member

    Jul 16, 2001
    Philadelphia
    I too have seen it at Borders, as well as Barned & Noble and a small international news/magazine shop up the street from my dorm.
     
  22. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe they only do in the Northeast, because I've seen them in Hartford as well.

    Wait!


    I also used to find them in New Orleans as well.

    I think your place just has problems.
     
  23. greatscott

    greatscott Member+

    Dec 21, 2002
    Richmond
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i pick up Soccer America every two weeks at barnes and noble. along with 442, world soccer, Soccer Italia and 90 minutes.
    even though soccer america's subscriptions are expensive, they are bi-weekly and if 442 was bi weekly it would be 80 dollars.
    but then again 442 takes about 4 hours to read. soccer america is about 30 minutes.

    ADVICE TO SA- more articles.

    plus i like SA because they put my letter in the latest issue. check it out. Scott Henley from Richmond, Va.
     
  24. greatscott

    greatscott Member+

    Dec 21, 2002
    Richmond
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. greatscott

    greatscott Member+

    Dec 21, 2002
    Richmond
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    they actually sell out in the first day or two in richmond. i have to keep going back every day to see if they have the newest one.
     

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