Should we get rid of food stamps, Medicaid, etc, for families, and just give the poor lots of money?

That's not working out, the ACA is going to balloon the deficit.

 

He held all the levers... and all we have to show for it is the ACA.

 

Link?

 

I believe the Nixon administration proposed this in the early 70's, Guaranteed Minimum Income. It didn't get anywhere.

 

From a source you can trust...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/24/budget-office-obama-health-law-reduces-deficit/

 

That article is a bit dated.

 

Is from Fox. That's all that counts for the TPfishy.

 

Fvcking Liberal lame stream media always supporting Obama.

 

Oh.

My view was very distorted then, in that case..i take back everything i said.

 

How often has any government program, much less a social program not cost a great deal more that projected. Here are two links

http://democraticthinker.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/projected-health-care-costs-vs-actual/

and

http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/tbb-0309-17.pdf

One is a left leaning sight and the other a right leaning site. Regardless of one's opinion of Cato, they cite their numbers and most of the source material is the GAO. This is not a left/right issue for me. I do not trust ANY government projections for future costs of anything. I really hope that if Obamacare remains the law, which I believe it will, that in 10 years we will look back on it as one the best things the country has done and see deficit reduction. But I would certainly not bet on it. Do you trust government projections for the costs of war or whatever new toy the military wants?

 

1. Your article is from July 2012
2. CBO estimates assumed the law would be implemented as written. Well our President has changed the law at whim over and over again.
3. The demographics of those enrolling are nowhere near what was predicted in 2012.
4. Insurance companies are already pushing back because of all the President's reversals
5. Today Moody’s downgraded the prospects of insurers to negative because of the ObamaCare law.
6. Given all that good news it looks like huge taxpayer bailouts via the law's risk corridors are coming.

 

Paul Ryan's study findings contradict the campaign points of...


Paul Ryan...

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/03/03/3353541/ryan-poverty-report/

 

Gee, who would have tought that? Giving poor people housing is cheaper than jailing them or letting them rot in the streets...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...-charlotte_n_5022628.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

And here is the best quote in the article, for Paul Ryan to choke on it:

 

Doubtful that he would. Reactionaries in general believe that poverty is a personal moral failure and their remaining in it is a proper punishment for it.

 

Well, I don't expect him to read or believe the study. But if I was debating or interviewing him I would pretty much have the whole study memorized, printed and flagged to see him stare like deer at headlights. I would also bring some BBQ sauce or A-1 to help him eat his words.

 

I tried to get food-stamps.

They sent a letter that arrived to me at 1 PM that told me they would call earlier that day for my "interview"

It was the one day a week I am graced with employment, so needless to say I am still pretty much eating food that is ruining all the progress I made in terms of my health the past year just to get enough calories.


Good thing I didn't get that 2nd part time job (My skills "overlapped" too much with an existing employee ) Or I'd get kicked off my Masshealth for having an income that is above the limit.

All the more annoying is the fact that it is almost the exact some job I have now.

 

Guess who is into food stamps fraud?

http://freakoutnation.com/2016/02/dear-gop-legislators-we-found-your-food-stamp-fraud/

Lyle Jeffs, brother of imprisoned FLDS leader Warren Jeffs, has been indicted on conspiracy charges, including food stamp fraud and money laundering.

Jeffs, who has been running the polygamist FLDS community in Hildale and Colorado City while his brother serves his sentence, faces a two-count indictment unsealed Tuesday afternoon in U.S. District Court in Salt Lake City.

The indictment charges 11 leaders and members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with conspiracy to commit Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering, according to the U.S. Attorney in the District of Utah.

 

But, but, but only black people do that sort of thing, right? Maybe Spanish people, yeah, them too...

 

In one of the hyperlinks, I found this beauty:

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/and...2006/05/how-polygamy-affects-your-wallet.html

"Their religious belief is that they'll bleed the beast, meaning the government," said Mark Shurtleff, Utah's attorney general. "They hate the government, so they'll bleed it for everything they can through welfare, tax evasion and fraud."

It makes some sense. Polygamists have multiple wives and dozens of children, but the state only recognizes one marriage. That leaves the rest of the wives to claim themselves as single moms with armies of children to support. Doing that means they can apply for welfare, which they do. And it's all legal.

"More than 65 percent of the people are on welfare ... compared with 6 percent of the people of the general population," Shurtleff said.
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Sounds like some other "ranchers" that you may know?

Seriously, with all due respect to people who practice a religion but respect our government, why seems that some of these people do not practice Mormonism but Moronism?

 

Speaking of state assistance - some shmucks in the Illinios statehouse want to shame single moms some more and want to deny assistance and worse, birth certificates, if no father is named.

might have trouble clicking link due to censorship But you can figure out the missing 4-letter-word for the *******s though, I have faith (the meat is in the quote but there is a bit more on the folks who introduced the bill)

http://jezebel.com/utterly-********ed-illinois-bill-would-refuse-birth-certifi-1761353980

 

And a nice bonus is that, without a birth certificate, that kid will never be able to vote.

 

Bonus? In 21st century America that is a feature.

 

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