Should the Concacaf Champions League go to a straight-knockout format?

Discussion in 'CONCACAF Champions League' started by shizzle787, Dec 16, 2015.

  1. shizzle787

    shizzle787 Member

    Apr 27, 2015
    Connecticut
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    Juventus FC
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    United States
    The group stages are a bore and guarantee that the big sides can't face each other. The costs in travel are also immense. Should CONCACAF go to a straight-knockout tournament with 24 teams, letting the 4 American and 4 Mexican sides get a bye to the Round of 16? The tournament could be unseeded so that Mexican and American teams could face each other in the Round of 16, but teams from the same country couldn't meet until the quarterfinals.
     
  2. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
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    Croatia
    Big no! Group stage is a must.

    But current format is desperate for a change. 24 teams in main round is way too much, even 16 seems to be much.
     
  3. Maximiliano Biancucchi

    Jul 12, 2012
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    #3 Maximiliano Biancucchi, Dec 23, 2015
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2015
    Nope! The CCL was good with the Group of 4 format that existed in 2008 until 2012

    Not going to lie though preliminary was a drag but certain countries clubs like Nicaragua, Jamaica has improved
    Just look at Saprissa who took a 6-1 historic ass whooping @ the hands of Santos Laguna
     
  4. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Pachuca, Hidalgo
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    Club América
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    Mexico
    I liked that format. Preliminaries included
     
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  5. Maximiliano Biancucchi

    Jul 12, 2012
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    Better than the Groups of 3 crap
     
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  6. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Pachuca, Hidalgo
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    Club América
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    Mexico
    It would be better if mls teams weren´t protected:coffee:
     
  7. Maximiliano Biancucchi

    Jul 12, 2012
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  8. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Pachuca, Hidalgo
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    Club América
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    Mexico
    dang it maxi, you ever post that again, I´m gonna neg rep ur ass!!!

    :p
     
  9. Maximiliano Biancucchi

    Jul 12, 2012
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    :ROFLMAO:
     
  10. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
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    Michigan Bucks
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    United States
    As I've said before, I prefer going to 32 teams (8 Mex, 6 USA, 2 Can, 16 rest) , but have the first round as eight mini-groups (one Mex and one USA / Can team in each group) played at eight home sites.

    Other than that, I would also go for 32 teams in a straight knockout, thereby going back to the old "Cup" (not "League") format.

    The tournament is losing steam year-by-year. This year's knockouts might be interesting with all Mex -v- USA matchups, but the group stages are getting harder and harder to follow.
     
  11. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Pachuca, Hidalgo
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    Club América
    Country:
    Mexico
    Definitely interesting
     
  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

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    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    Would anybody like an 8 club Group Stage like Africa does? There could be a Round of 24 (with the Top 8 getting byes) and a Round of 16 each having two legs followed by two groups of four (6 games per club), and two leg Semifinals and Final. The problem is that the CCL would need to be in a different time of year or there would be a big gap during the Group Stage with it going from September to February or something close to it. The last two Group Stage matchdays could be when the Quarterfinals are now since there would be no Quarterfinals with that format.
     
  13. SJJ

    SJJ Member

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    Michigan Bucks
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    United States
    Possible, but I would say not in the end. To go back to my previous statement, unless you add more North teams, you end up like the original format of this tournament, where the first round (and now, your second) was barely followed.

    (I'm glad that we're having a valid discussion of formats for this tournament.)
     
  14. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Pachuca, Hidalgo
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    Club América
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    Mexico
    They do 8 team group stage in Africa?:eek:

    No I don't want that. The last format was the best.
     
  15. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

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    Mar 30, 2004
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_CAF_Champions_League

    The 2015 CAF Champions League had 57 clubs and 6 rounds. 7 clubs got byes in the Round of 64 (called the Preliminary Round), and one club advanced when their opponent withdrew. The Round of 64 winners and clubs who had byes had to win two more two leg series to get to the 8 club Group Stage.
     
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  16. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Country:
    Spain
    In terms of travel, the current format is actually much better than the previous format, since teams are traveling for a maximum of two games before the QFs instead of three or four traveling games. It's also just four games before the QFs instead of six or eight, so it helps schedule congestion as well.

    As for "protecting" the MLS teams... Hollow argument. US teams haven't gotten to the QFs any more (or less) frequently than they did before the format change, especially when you divide by group stage appearances instead of total CCL qualifications. Now, the format change has hurt LMX teams, though, since one minor trip-up against a Canadian or Costa Rican team hurts much more in the three-team-group format than it did in the previous format.

    The format change also hasn't really changed the frequency of MLS-LMX matchups... just when they occur. Previous format had some (but not all group) include a MLS-LMX home-and-away; current format has some (but not all) knockout matches. I don't know which timing is better to have those.

    Should the format change? I don't know. Logistically, it's probably the best format it can be that still uses groups. Competitively, it hasn't helped US teams but it has hurt LMX teams versus the previous format. I kinda like the idea of straight knock-outs, but then it's not much of CL and more just a Cup competition. Maybe have the group as last-8 instead of last-16 is the better idea after all.
     
  17. CBusAlex

    CBusAlex Member

    Jun 17, 2011
    Orlando, FL
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    If your goal is to maximize the number of matches between MX/MLS/CRC clubs, this would be the way to do it. It would come at the expense of the bottom 16 though. In the current system, they're guaranteed two home games, one of which will be against an MX or MLS opponent; this new system would give them only one, likely against another minnow.
     
  18. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
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    Well, they could arrange another competition then, where teams eliminated from CL qualify to, let's say, CONCACAF Cup, to get another shot at continental title. And it could be straight knock-out tournament only, e.g. former UEFA Cup.

    For example:

    CL stays 24-team competition
    1st round:
    16 teams, 8 winners progress, 8 losers qualify to CC.
    2nd round: 16 teams (8 from 1st and 8 byes), 8 winners progress to group stage, 8 losers qualify to CC.
    Group stage is played in CL, while CC starts with 1st round matches where 16 eliminated CL teams take part, and so (2nd round, semifinal, final). 1st and 2nd round of CC are played simultaneously with CL group stage, semifinal and final played on same weeks (CC matches one day before CL matches).

    Each team gets at least two home matches during continental campaing. Competition (CL) gets much more competitive (no dead rubbers) and way more serious (no Bayamons in elite stage unless they earn it), smaller teams get chance to win a game and to go far in continental competition. Of course, there is some prize money too.

    I think that might work.
     
  19. shizzle787

    shizzle787 Member

    Apr 27, 2015
    Connecticut
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    Juventus FC
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    United States
    Interesting, but I don't believe CONCACAF is big enough to support two region-wide competitions.
     
  20. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
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    Saint Louis Athletica
    Country:
    Spain
    Yup! And this is how the CCL eliminated the Superliga.
     
  21. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Pachuca, Hidalgo
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    Club América
    Country:
    Mexico
    Superliga was never a concacaf tourney.
     
  22. slaminsams

    slaminsams Member+

    Mar 22, 2010
    It's better for the minnows to weed themselves out and allow a chance of some success. Right now they expect to get bounced straight away and it's no coincidence only MLS and liga MX teams made it to the ko stages since the new format
     
  23. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
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    --other--
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    Croatia
    I think the same, but I'd like to see it tested. :D It's easy to stop it if it isn't interesting or viable.
     
  24. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Country:
    Spain
    No it wasn't, but it still goes to show how there wasn't enough "space" in the region to support a second major tournament, whoever was running it.
     
  25. shizzle787

    shizzle787 Member

    Apr 27, 2015
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    United States
    I have revised my idea of the tournament:
    1) Straight knock-out tournament
    2) Showpiece, one-off final
    3) 32 teams enter (Mexico and US gain two teams; Costa Rica, Honduras, Belize, and Nicaragua each gain one team).
    Teams from the same country (or same league) cannot meet in the Round of 32. Beginning in the Round of 16, teams from the same country can meet (unseeded draw from this point forward).
     

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