Should Canada be given an extra spot?

Discussion in 'CONCACAF Champions League' started by revsfan444, Jul 14, 2013.

  1. fuzzx

    fuzzx Member+

    Feb 4, 2012
    Brossard
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Country:
    Canada
    Assuming Canada can get a D3 league going, the discussion at this point would be to have the champion(s) of that league join the NASL teams in a play in, with 1 or 2 playing the MLS teams.

    There's no point in having a more complicated tournament until there are many more teams, which seems unlikely for Canada.
     
  2. Club Leon

    Club Leon Member

    Apr 21, 2012
    Club:
    Club León
    Country:
    Mexico
    At first I was raging that Canadian teams that are part of the MLS are given CCL spots. then I discovered that they are put up against other MLS teams in the group stage. So whatever, do whatever you feel like , the only thing I care is for the Liga MX teams to have 5 spots.
     
  3. B2TO

    B2TO Member

    Aug 6, 2009
    Dallas / Monterrey
    Club:
    Club Tigres de la UANL
    Country:
    Mexico
    I just know that the group stages are so meaningless, and boring... there's no point in adding more of those teams... If any, the number of teams should be reduce. MLS should not be given 4/5 spots, they are no better than say the Costa Rican and other central american teams. At least they haven't proved it. When was the last time MLS won the "Champions Cup" :rolleyes:? like 13 years ago... and that "Champions' Cup" that no one cared about, KO's played at one game in Los Angeles... (even a Bolivian team would win the Libertadores if it was all held in La Paz.):D
     
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  4. fuzzx

    fuzzx Member+

    Feb 4, 2012
    Brossard
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Country:
    Canada
    You're conflating a couple things here.

    -MLS teams are not better than Caribbean. central american teams.

    In a limited sense, this is true, but those leagues only have a handful of teams that are any good and win every year, whereas many more MLS teams can put up a competitive roster. If you gave more spots to any of those other leagues, the teams wouldn't stand a chance.

    -MLS has not won in forever.

    Yes, because Liga MX teams always win it. This is not a surprise. They have much larger budgets and the tourney happens the the middle/late in their season. Obviously they are the favorites.


    Also, MONEY. MLS and Liga MX teams bring it, few other do.
     
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  5. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
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    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    http://www.bigsoccer.com/community/...gue-coefficient.1187575/page-18#post-28509720

    Yes, they have.
     
  6. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Country:
    United States
    Mexico teams probably would not like this, I am sure if you asked Most Mexico teams would prefer to be allowed back in the Copa SudAmericana over having more spots in the CCL.

    But I think having the defending champion qualify automatically would be a good idea (meaning Mexico would get 5 spots).

    Technically MLS gets 3 spots.

    Two other Spots are available for other Canadian/USA teams outside MLS, but MLS teams always win those spots.

    USA/Canada teams have shown (recently) that they are a step above the better Central American leagues (Honduras and Costa Rica).

    Lastly it is about the money, MLS and Mexican teams bring the money (specially the Mexican teams, they bring huge money).
     
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  7. fridge46

    fridge46 Member

    Oct 23, 2011
    Technically MLS gets 0 spots.

    CONCACAF award 4 spots to USSF, and 1 spot to CSA.

    USSF does not have to give their spots to MLS; they could just as easy give them to NASL or USL if they so wished.
     
  8. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Country:
    United States

    True, USSF gets the 4 American spots, but the set up right now is that MLS gets 3 and the Open Cup gets 1. But yes the USSF can change this set up when ever they want, so technically you are correct.
     
  9. themodelcitizen

    Jul 23, 2000
    BMO Field - Sec. 114
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    For everyone relying on the Cardiff/Swansea thing, a more apt comparison might be Liechtenstein. I believe FC Vaduz play in the Swiss structure but are in the Liechtenstein Cup and qualify for the Europa League that way.

    To answer the question, from a coefficient/"what they bring to the table" perspective, it's easily yes.

    From a logistical perspective, no. Two teams from the five eligible pro teams is too much.

    For now, 1 is a good number. Re: those complaining about the easy way in, I don't think the USSF wants a Canadian team taking one of their 4 spots anyways.
     
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  10. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I said something similar in another thread. I'll take it further and say that, if Canada gets its own top-flight league, even if it consisted of the 5 current pro teams and a combination of a bunch of amateur teams, then they can start making a claim for an increased allocation. With the way their domestic competitions are structured now though, they can't make any legitimate claim to increased representation.
     
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  11. themodelcitizen

    Jul 23, 2000
    BMO Field - Sec. 114
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    to be fair, this is a competition that needs spicing up... considering Canada has the top 2 attendances in the history of the comp, there could be an argument for 2 spots. Maybe change the Canadian Championship to a proper "open cup" with amateur qualifying rounds. Still, logistically, it's not really a legitimate argument.
     
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  12. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Pachuca, Hidalgo
    Club:
    Club América
    Country:
    Mexico
    Not for long :D;)
     
  13. youngorst

    youngorst Member

    Jun 26, 2014
    Bend, Oregon
    I think that once Canada gets a league of its own (rather its considered D1, 2, or 3) the champion of that league should get a bid and then another spot goes to the 'national' champion (1 of the 3 MLS teams most likely).

    It just feels off to let 2/5th of Canada's pro teams in at this point especially when they don't even have a league of their own.
     
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  14. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Country:
    United States
    Nein. Niet. Ne pas.
     
  15. nfitz

    nfitz Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Toronto
    Perhaps the question is should Costa Rica be given an extra spot (permanently).
     
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  16. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I think MLS should get three spots regardless of which country the team is from. Then, the US and Canada should each get an independent spot for their respective Cup competitions.

    By the way, I think UEFA should encourage more multi country leagues and do the same thing.
     
  17. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Country:
    United States
    It's a good thing the (con)federation heads don't care what you think. That would cause a major cluster. If you award spots to leagues rather then federations you effectively diminish the feds administrative clout over the clubs in their respective regions.
     
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  18. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    And why is the federation's administrative clout important?
     
  19. La Trucha

    La Trucha Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 16, 2009
    42 Wallaby Way, Sydney
    Club:
    Melbourne Victory
    Country:
    Australia
    Yes. There are 8 Canadian teams in the 3 American leagues (including 2 reserve squads) and IMO they should all leave the US leagues to form their own Canadian league together. That'd be 8 free spots for untapped American cities to fill in. I've never been a fan of teams playing in other countries' leagues and taking up a spot.
     
  20. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
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    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    That's never going to happen for about 100 different reasons.
     
  21. La Trucha

    La Trucha Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 16, 2009
    42 Wallaby Way, Sydney
    Club:
    Melbourne Victory
    Country:
    Australia
    Well duh. There's 1 reason why it won't happen, and that's reason enough. *shrugs*
     
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  22. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Is Federation clout important so that the bribes are effectively distributed through CONCACAF and the dependent governing bodies? Because if that is the reason I'm ok with leagues getting the spots instead.
     
  23. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    Should Canada get 1.5 spots with the second Canadian club getting a two leg playoff against the third Caribbean club?
     
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  24. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Country:
    Nigeria
    Nope.
     
  25. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Country:
    Nigeria
    I don't think that I could really even get behind that. Canada already has a build-in advantage from being tied to MLS that belies it's actual relative strength relative to some of the stronger Carribean nations who have fully formed leagues with multides of teams filled with domestic players. This is the classic reason why allocation should not soley be tied to performance without taking into account the compostion of representation. Most nations are lucky to have 15 to 20 percent of their top flight qualify to CCL. Carribean clubs already have less than that. And you want to force them to put one of the few spots they have guaranteed so that a nation that doesn't have a league and fills the rosters of their top clubs with foreigners and Americans can get 40 percent of their clubs in the top two divisions in the tournament?
     

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