Liverpool are done as a top 4 team in england for at least a few seasons at the rate they are going even Newcastle United look a better option for the future without a top 4 Liverpool are not a better option than schalke 04
he is right Seria A is dying, stadiums are empty and teams are poor plus there is countless drama off the pitch Bundesliga is taking off and is now the third best league in Europewith the best attendance times are a changing and Farfan has made the right choice
Third best league based on what, if you don't mind me asking. If you want to measure league quality by performance in European competitions, Bayern have done well, they always do. But the other German teams usually and lately have been struggling, whether it be Dortmund, Leverkusen or Schalke themselves. It's the most stable league that's for sure. But it's not like a big Italian team is going to pull a U or Alianza and not pay their players on time. Anywho, makes no difference where he plays his club football at this point, it's not like he's a developing player who needs to find more competition. But I'll echo what most other people mentioned, it would have been interesting to see how he played in another league on a big team. In the end it was probably the best decision for him and most importantly for La Sele.
on everything uefa coefficient http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient#Current_ranking portugal is closer to overtaking Italy than italy is to overtaking germany stadiums attendance lack of corruption
Si la Juve - mas aun como ahora como campeon - se enfrenta 10 veces con el S04 estoy seguro que la gana mas de 5 veces. Y aunque esto no es determinativo, si se le pregunta a un jugador random del S04 si se podria ir a la Juve estoy seguro que este escucharia la oferta con interes. Un jugador random de la Juve no tendria el mismo interes de ir al S04 (Vidal por ejemplo ni lo consideraria). La verdad es que yo veo a la Juve superior en todos los aspectos - historia, actualidad, plantilla, marca, etc. La liga Italiana ha decaido pero yo aun la veo superior a la Alemana por distancia. Los grandes de Italia solamente se comparan con el Bayern que es el unico 'bravo' de alla. Despues todos son mas fuertes que los demas clubes Alemanes. Es mas, en mi opinion personal yo diria que hasta el Napoli esta ligeramente por encima del S04. Estamos hablando de un club 'grande' de Italia y del Mundo vs uno que no es 'grande grande' de Alemania. Por mas que uno vea que la liga Alemana es superior a la Italiana, no seria mejor ir a un club grande de Italia a mantenerse en uno que no es grande en su propio pais? Yo entiendo que Farfan se quedo en el S04 por comodidad. Lo entiendo y lo critico. No es lo peor del Mundo porque el S04 es un muy buen club in its own right. Pero no concuerdo en que el S04 sea mejor club que la Juve, ni caragua.
La liga italiana está cayéndose? pero si los equipos alemanes son recontra más irregulares! qué te dice que en la temporada 2012-2013 el Schalke no queda fuera en los grupos de la CL y ni clasifica a la próxima en la Bundes, con la Juve al menos confias en que vas a pelear el scudetto y llegas siquiera a octavos en europa
la coeficiente de la Uefa claramente indica que la liga italiana se esta hundiendo, de tercera a caido a cuarta y sigue cayendo, se acerca mas a la portuguesa simplemente viven de la imagen que dejo la seria A de los 90
Hace 10 anos que voy escuchando que la "Bundesliga esta en alza" y cosas por el estilo. Pero sigue siendo 4ta en el mundo. Ademas de sus 3 grandes, la liga italiana tambien tiene a la Roma y Napoli con capacidad de contratar jugadores de renombre. En comparacion, la Bundesliga solo tiene a Bayern como equipo grande y de ahi quizas un par mas (Dortmund y Schalke, quizas) al nivel de la Roma y Napoli. Bien por Farfan en quedarse donde se sienta mas a gusto... pero de que decidio quedarse en un equipo y una liga inferior, hay poca duda.
La Serie A no es lo que era en los 90s pero aún así es más que la alemana O sea que Arturo Vidal debió quedarse en el Leverkusen, donde "es titular - figura - juega todas las semanas", en vez de ir a la Juventus para ser uno de los jugadores más importantes del equipo campeón? Huntelaar no se fue a la Bundesliga tras fracasar en Italia? Hay que ver la realidad y darse cuenta que hay muchos más jugadores de élite en Italia que en Alemania, y los de la Bundesliga todos acaban en el Bayern o comprados por los equipos grandes de los otros países en 5 años Farfán va a estar para regresar a Alianza
lo de Huntelar es un caso interesante sin duda, pero en fin son casos individuales, algunos jugadores no se acostumbran, tal vez no estaba listo para ser figura quien sabe. por ejemplo si yo tomo a Vidal como ejemplo, se puede decir que su nivel en italia es casi superior a su nivel en alemania en fin los numeros no mienten, o sino como explican que Italia esta cada vez mas distanciandose de no solo espana y inglaterra, pero tambien de alemania en la coeficiente de la Uefa (que no es la misma webada que la Fifa ya que los europeos competien entre ellos y por eso es mas facil sacar concluciones que liga es "mejor") o sea la competencia no es tan diferente, a lo maximo las dos ligas son iguales en calidad, ya que los nombres no sean tan familiares es otra cosa, pero por lo que yo veo cuando veo juegos de estas dos ligas no veo en ningun momento que la liga italiana sea superior en 5 a~os Farfan va a tener 32/33 a~os, si vuelve a peru despues de 13 temporadas en europa, tampoco veo el problema con eso
that argument can go both ways.. Miroslav Klose solo marco 11 goles en sus ultimos dos años en Alemania. Se va a jugar a Italia y marca 16 goles en su primera temporada con el Lazio. que quiere decir eso? nada.
how is it fourth? in Europe (where they should know which is best) the Bundesliga ranks higher in their systetm so apart from nostalgia how is Italy better as a league? and I mean as a whole package
I just explained how. They have more teams that attract better players. Those dumb ass coefficients and rankings are VERY flawed, condor, you should know this. Those rankings have the Peruvian league as one of the top 20 in the world, had Mexico and the US as top 15 national teams for years and years, and currently has freakin' Denmark top 10 and ahead of Argentina. "The coefficients say so" is a poor argument. If we look at the quality of players per team, it becomes clear that Italy is still well ahead. To take one example, Roma is at most the 4th richest club in the league and it was able to buy Lamela,( probably the best Argentinian prospect since Aguero), Gago, Bojan and have them join a bunch of very good players already there. The 4th richest Bundesliga club cannot possibly do the same.
the uefa coefficient system which ranks their leagues (dosnt take worldwide leagues into account at all) to decide how many places each league is allocated, is not the same one used by whoever to place Peru in the top 20 leagues in the world the ranking is probably the only way to compare leagues obejectivly taken out past biases we might have on such and such league, for example saying looking at quality of players is an extremely biased way of doing things lets face it most of us grew up knowing all about the italian and spanish league and its only really since the late 90's the the epl came into our conciousness in south america the bundesliga is even more of an obsucure league than those 3, hence we automatically think of the italian league as being the better market its much easier for Uefa to rank their leagues than it is for Fifa to rank countries, since these teams are in constant competition with each other. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient here it clearly shows german clubs have performed overall better in europe since the 07/08 season the german clubs run differently ie they are not gonna splash cash they dont have, thats why the bundesliga is financially stable and the italian one is a financial nightmare call it stereotyipical german efficiency vs latin way of doing things if you want but thats how it is Forbes has 4 german clubs in top 20 richest and 5 italians http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes'_list_of_the_most_valuable_football_clubs interestingly Schalke is at number 10 and Juve at number 9 according to that forbes list the 4th richest german club (Hamburg) is actually richer than Roma, just barely but still
Sorry, but there's no way to be fully objective when it comes to this. Whatever formula you use will yield several problematic results. And looking at the quality of players is perfectly valid. The more high-quality, high-priced players your team and your league has, the better it'll be week in, week out. If we go strictly by results in international competition, Real Madrid has been an average Champion's League team the past 5 or so seasons. Obviously this doesn't tell the whole story because based on the quality of their players, they're unquestionably one of the very top teams in the world. How stable the German clubs are economically in comparison to the Italians is irrelevant because we're talking about the quality of the game on the field. At least I am. Whether it's because they have more money or because they're irresponsible and "Latin", Italian teams attract better talent. I mean, Schalke is right between Juventus and Inter on that list. No one in their right mind would say that Schalke's squad is comparable to the Italians'. Juve and Inter are loaded with the starters on NTs from the top footballing nations in the world. Schalke? Not so much. (except for Farfan! )
you would think so, yet the general consencous seems to be that the italian league is a walking zombie while the bundesliga is on the rise given the state of the german league at present, I would say give it around 5 more years and the gap will be truly more noticible then we will glad farfan made his name in the bundesliga
he will definetly not be in the sinking ship that is seria A unless of course they manage to somehow avoid the financial meltdown that will most likely hit them
The top footballing nations in the world at the moment: Spain,Germany,Netherlands Juve and Inter only have one player who starts for one of those nations (Snejder). Schalke has several players who are at least close to playing for Germany and the Dutch: Howedes, Draxler, Huntelaar. Juve doesn`t have a single player who plays for one of the leading NTs.
PT 1 On national teams I don't think there is any doubt, Germany is above Italy by some margin. Your comparison in determining which league is better though is apt to mislead. For one, S04 is a German team so it would be expected they would have more German players than any Italian team. As a curiosity, Germany have called up a player from the Serie A for their Euro call-up but Italy has not done the same (and I can't recall them doing so for some time since Luca Toni). Netherlands, in their Euro call-up have called more players who play their trade in Germany than Italy, yes (3 vs 2), but such an analysis fails to point out that Netherlands also called up Van Bommel who just recently left Italy for PSV (and who had before left Bayern for Milan). So on that basis I would say they are equal. Spain, on the other hand, does not have a player from Germany or Italy. Also, one cannot just judge on the basis of the three best footballing national teams. There is talent in several other teams which, if combined, could surely top Spain, Germany, Netherlands. I would say there is a bigger quantity of the best players around the world playing in Italy than in Germany, no misrespect intended. Uruguay, who came third in the last World Cup, has a lot more players in the Serie A than in Germany. Although that is not decisive of which league is better, it is a fact that ought to be taken into account. Just to make an analogy, two other big footballing nations, Brazil and Argentina, have over the years called up a lot more players from Italy than Germany. In their latest call up, Brazil has 4 Serie A players and no Bundesliga players (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_national_football_team#Players). Aside from Gustavo of Bayern, I can't see any Brazilian in the Bundesliga that is at current deserving of a call-up. I can see, however, at least 5 other Brazilians in the Serie A who have not been called up who are worthy of being called (Julio Cesar, Lucio, Maicon, Hernanes, Robinho). The same with Argentina, they had 6 Serie A players in their latest February call-up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina_national_football_team#Current_squad) which missed the likes of Zanetti, Bertollo, Lavezzi, Milito (who also play in the Serie A). Can't recall on the top of my head an Argentinian who is having a heck of a time in Germany.
PT 2 Check this list of the best 50 players in the 2010 WC (which is subjective, of course). I agree with many of the names, and most play in the Serie A than in the German league. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-...est-players-2010-world-cup?cc=3436&ver=global I have said it before, this is my opinion - the Italian league is declining and the German league is improving. They are both first class leagues. But I still see the Italian league as superior to the German league by some distance. I see Bayern in the same level or maybe even above all Italian teams. But then I see Juve, Milan, Inter, Napoli and even Roma as superior to all other German teams.
Roma is pretty crap and im intriged were this big difference lies, apart from living of what seria A was in the 90's, the history associated with seria A probably also explains the unusual high number of uruguayans and argentinians playing there, they do have a connection going way back. im pretty sire there is more uruguayans and possibly even argies in italy than in epl and la liga, yet no way you can claim seria A is better than them on that list if we take out germans playing in germany and italians playing in italy we are left with Ribery and Robben from Bayern Forlan, Lucio, Julio Cesar, Maicon, Sjneider from Inter Hamsik from Napoli Klose from Lazio an over representation from Inter not surprising since they have a massive foreign contingent still looking at things like that dosnt make much sense, since Klose wasnt up to much prior to leaving for Lazio anyway the way I see it, Seria A was a truly amazing league probably at their peak during the 7 sister period of the 90's its the best league I have seen but it is no longer that, and to me people are still nostalgic when they talk about it and that clouds judgement when comparing to the less glamorous and lesser known Bundesliga, specially for us south americans who pretty much grew up on seria A and la liga