Yep I knew someone was going to have to head home. Nice catch. I guess the TAM trade with the Crew might also be related to Rios because of the timing. I suppose that means Cummings starts in Vancouver?
Kashia getting a green card would open up an International Roster slot (we only need one opened), but Ockford was Supplemental Roster not Senior Roster, so do we have enough room on the Senior Roster for both new additions? https://www.mlssoccer.com/rosters/2019/san-jose-earthquakes All 20 are occupied, so two players would have to be moved: Senior Roster (Spots 1-20) 1 Affolter, Francois 2 Bersano, Matt 3 Bersano, Matt 4 Calvillo, Eric 5 Cummings, Harold 6 Eriksson, Magnus 7 Espinoza, Cristian 8 Felipe, Luis 9 Godoy, Anibal 10 Hoesen, Danny 11 Judson 12 Jungwirth, Florian 13 Kashia, Guram 14 Lima, Nick 15 Lopez, Marcos 16 Salinas, Shea 17 Tarbell, Andrew 18 Vako 19 Vega, Daniel 20 Wondolowski, Chris -Looks like the made an error in listing Bersano twice, so only one spot needs to be opened up. -Having three goalkeepers on the Senior Roster is ridiculous (with JT on the Reserve Roster) so maybe a move is made there, or maybe Calvillo or Felipe can be shifted around...
Could the TAM the Quakes traded Columbus for be used to buy down a player from senior to supplemental spot? There has to be a reason the Quakes made that trade. Why was Ockford supplemental? His low salary?
TAM can only be used on players who are above a certain salary, to buy them down from DP level. It's not like if we used TAM on Vako or Wondo, that would move either to the Supplemental Roster. I'm guessing one of the two new guys is just above DP level and will be bought down?
I have no idea what any of this means.....We give them $150k and get $110k. Oh wow this makes a lot of sense! Quakes, Crew swap TAM for GAM
Well, the biggest thing is that we can only use the TAM we got this year on signings. TAM is mainly involved in big signings (over the regular salary max), and as far as I can tell can be used to sign DPs and bring down current players salaries so that they are no longer classified as DPs. We have done this last one with Wondo before. Here is the MLS page on TAM. What we lose is next year's GAM, so we pay for it in the 2020 season. GAM is the original type of allocation money used before the DP rule, is mainly used to keep players under the cap through signing or resigning, and to allow an individual player's salary to exceed the maximum by as much as 150k. Here in the MLS page on GAM. So this year we can make a big signing over the cap including a DP, or buy down one DP to make two DP slots open. Next year we have less flexibility in the cap with our regular budget players. On a different note I just got back into the country and will edit the roster soon.
The Quakes are only using 2 DP slots now anyway. Why would they need to buy one down for Rios? I can see them being over the cap limit but they are allowed to have another DP player. Are the Quakes considering buying Espinoza and making him a DP?
TAM= GAM= DP = MLS..... I'd like to meet the guy who explains these rules to Almeyda and Galindo.....
This all seems more like GM Jesse Fioranelli's job; in knowing, making the deals, and explaining to and working with the wishes of a coach.
They don't need to know any of it, but it's possible, just possible, that one or both of those guys might have greater intellectual curiosity than you.
Of course they do and they should because that is their job and that is why they are paid. Another reason why they don't need to and probably don't know what TAM, or GAM is.
Yeah, only 2 reasons I can see them needing TAM. Say they only have room in the salary cap for a 350k offer to Rios. He says no, wants 500k instead. Okay, Quakes agree to 500k (which makes him DP) but they buy down his salary to 350k cap hit. If that is not why the Quakes bought the TAM than that means the Quakes are paying Rios enough to be considered a DP and they have plans for ANOTHER DP signing. They would use the TAM to buy either Rios, Wondo or the new player down below the DP threshold. Since Almeyda has stated no one else besides possibly Rios is coming, you have to speculate that maybe a rostered player is going to become a DP. To me that means it’s 90% likely it’s Espinoza.
Okay, getting us prepared for our final signings. Since the last update new salary figures have come out, Jyri Nieminen left, we signed Carlos Fierro, we send Ockford to Nashville on loan, and everyone's favorite move, TAM for Gam with C-Bus. ________ Salary Budget Roster 1. Andrew Tarbell #28 (G) {10/7/93} [$235K] 2. Daniel Vega #17 (G) (Argentina, INT) {6/3/84} [$210K] 3. Matt Bersano # 12 (G) {9/10/92} [$71.7K] 4. Harold Cummings #31 (D) (Panama, INT) {3/1/92} [$320.7K] 5. Francois Affolter #3 (D) (Switzerland-Green Card) {3/13/91} [$273K]-1109.7 6. Guram Kashia # 37 (D) (Georgia, INT) {7/4/87} [$590K] 7. Marcos Lopez # 27 (D/M) (Peru, INT) {11/2/99} [$387.8K] 8. Shea Salinas #6 (D/M) {6/24/86} [$250K*] 9. Florian Jungwirth, #23 (D/M) (Germany-Green Card) {1/27/89} [$616.7K] 10. Judson Silva Tavares, #93 (D/M) (Brazil, INT) {5/25/93} [$305K] - 3259.2 11. Luis Felipe #96 (M) {1/29/96} [$71.7] 12. Anibal Godoy #20 (M) (Panama-Green Card} {2/10/90} [$498.2K] 13. Eric Calvillo #26 (M) {1/2/98} [$135K] 14. Carlos Fierro # 21 (M) {7/24/94} [$???K] 15. Magnus Eriksson #7 (M/F) (Sweden, INT) {4/2/90} [$450K] - 4414.1 16. Christian Espinoza #10 (M/F) (Argentina, INT) {4/3/95} [$550K] 17. Valeri Qazaishvili #11 (M/F) (Georgia-Green Card) {1/29/93} [$1,604.1K] 18. Danny Hoesen #9 (F) (Netherlands-Green Card) {1/15/91} [$549.7K] 19. Chris Wondolowski #8 (F) {1/28/83} [$800K*] 20. [empty] * Indicates a known guaranteed contract. Supplemental Roster (Off-Budget-min $65K) 21. Jackson Yueill (M) #14 {3/19/97} [Generation Adidas - $190K] 22. Kevin Partida (M) #89 {3/10/95} [$57.3K] 23. Paul Marie # 33 (D) {3/24/95} [$57.3K] 24. Siad Haji (M) #19 {12/1/99} [Generation Adidas - $104K] Reserve Roster (Off-Budget-in $50K, under 25) 25. JT Marcinkowski #18 (G) {5/09/97] [$147K - Homegrown Player] 26. Nick Lima (D) #24 {11/17/94} [$218.5K-Homegrown Player] 27. Jacob Akanyirige #29 (D) {12/31/01} [$64.3K - Homegrown Player] 28. Tommy Tompson (M/F) #22 {8/15/95} [$175K - Homegrown Player] Homegrown Players (Additional Reserves Slots) 29. Gilbert Fuentes #35 (M) {2/21/02} [$92K - Homegrown Player] 30. [empty] Players on Loan Cade Cowell #44 (F) {10/14/03} [$67.3K - Homegrown Player] - Not eligible until mid-season. Jimmy Ockford #15 (D) {6/10/92} [$70.9] CURRENT SALARY TOTAL (Not updated) for 2019 the cap is was approximately ($4,240,000), and our overall salary is unknown (6,573,800 above, DPs=530k). Note: Some player's salaries were likely bought down this year with allocation money, and this cost is not represented in the figure above. Neither is new signing Carlos Fierro. The 2019 figures above will used to calculate our cap. Allocations, Slots, Rights, & Trades Allocations ***We received $150 TAM in 2019 for $ 110 GAM in 2020 from Columbus, allocation money for trading allocation order with TFC: $75K in GAM & $75K in TAM, Alashe from Cincinnati: $60K in TAM and $75K in GAM and Urena in the Expansion Draft: $100k of conditional GAM in 2019*** Trades, waivers, losses ---* $150 TAM in 2019 for $ 110 GAM in 2020 to Columbus- 7/18/19 ---* QWEBERG - Contract Bought Out - 3/2/19 ---* QUINTANA, HYKA, WEHAN, MUSOVSKI, & THIAW - Options Declined - 11/19/18 ---* ODURO - Out of Contract - 11/19/18 ---* AMARIKWA - to Montreal for Dominic Oduro - 8/8/18 ---* ALASHE - to Cincinnati for $60K in TAM and $75K in GAM - 7/30/18 ---* DAWKINS - Contract bought out - 2/16/18 ---* CEREN - to Houston for $175k in allocation money and $50k based on performance - 1/19/18 Slots ---* DP's - Wondolowski and Qazaishvil occupy a DP slot, so one slot is currently open. ---* We currently have no open INT slot. We have eight slots, and eight players require slots (Cummings, Eriksson, Kashia, Judson, Espinoza, Lopez, Vega & Fierro = INT). Rights ---* We are #5 on the allocation list. ---* All of our 2020 Superdraft picks. ---* All of our 2020 Waiver Draft and Re-Entry Draft picks. ---* Lottery eligible for the 2019 season. ---* We hold the rights to these unsigned MLS draftees: Sergio Rivas, Mamadi Camara & Nathan Aune. Staff * Tom Fox (President) * Jared Shawlee (Chief Operating Officer) * Jesse Fioranelli (General Manager) * Matias Almeyda(Head Coach) * Omar Zarif (Assistant Coach) * Benjamin Galindo (Assistant Coach) * Carlos Roa (Goalkeeper Coach) * Chris Leitch (Technical Director) SSVCF SSV centerlinesoccer
Thank you for compiling this. I do have a question. MLS Soccer dot com supposedly has the official MLS roster and they show different player slots, such as Thompson on supplemental while you show him on reserve. https://www.mlssoccer.com/rosters/2019/san-jose-earthquakes They have an obvious error with Bersano listed twice and no Fierro on there. Reason I’m asking about your data is you seem to show an empty spot on the senior roster that might be used by signing Andres Rios. MLS does not show that because Ockford left when he was in a supplemental slot (which Rios will not be eligible for). Is the MLS Soccer dot com roster incorrect?
I can understand that we don't get details on how TAM and GAM are spent on players and how close we are to the salary cap. But the fact we don't have a reliable roster is crazy. We should be able to look at the roster on either the mls page or the quakes page and know for certain if Ockford was on the supplemental or senior roster. Right now i'm going to assume ockford trade free'd up a senior roster spot only because that's the reason it would have made sense to loan him out. We didn't get money for him and we are an injury or two away from needing him.
I think the only reason we keep this thread around is that MLS sucks at giving us accurate information, though as pointed out in last year's thread this is better than it has been in the past. The roster page you have cited and the sjearthquakes.com roster page are reasonably good sources, but they often lag or have silly typos. I think we have one Salary Budget Roster slot open since the typo of having Bersano twice did not seem to eliminate another name. I think Okford's Supplemental slot is now open since he is officially on loan. In the past loans have taken players completely off of our roster. Who goes in which off-budget roster category does not seem to matter much, but I am updating to the official designation by the league for accuracy. It seems to me that Luis Felipe could easily be moved into Okford's now open Supplemental Roster spot, so I think we have room for two Salary Budget Roster signings. The bigger data issue is the one that Scott Rohde points out. There is no salary cap transparency, and little to no salary (union only), partial transfer/signing/trade information given, and not TAM/GAM accounting. It makes our cap situation complete conjecture, but at lease having the salary figures gives us the ability to make educated guesses. ________ Salary Budget Roster 1. Andrew Tarbell #28 (G) {10/7/93} [$235K] 2. Daniel Vega #17 (G) (Argentina, INT) {6/3/84} [$210K] 3. Matt Bersano # 12 (G) {9/10/92} [$71.7K] 4. Harold Cummings #31 (D) (Panama, INT) {3/1/92} [$320.7K] 5. Francois Affolter #3 (D) (Switzerland-Green Card) {3/13/91} [$273K]-1109.7 6. Guram Kashia # 37 (D) (Georgia, INT) {7/4/87} [$590K] 7. Marcos Lopez # 27 (D/M) (Peru, INT) {11/2/99} [$387.8K] 8. Shea Salinas #6 (D/M) {6/24/86} [$250K*] 9. Florian Jungwirth, #23 (D/M) (Germany-Green Card) {1/27/89} [$616.7K] 10. Judson Silva Tavares, #93 (D/M) (Brazil, INT) {5/25/93} [$305K] - 3259.2 11. Luis Felipe #96 (M) {1/29/96} [$71.7] 12. Anibal Godoy #20 (M) (Panama-Green Card} {2/10/90} [$498.2K] 13. Eric Calvillo #26 (M) {1/2/98} [$135K] 14. Carlos Fierro # 21 (M) {7/24/94} [$???K] 15. Magnus Eriksson #7 (M/F) (Sweden, INT) {4/2/90} [$450K] - 4414.1 16. Christian Espinoza #10 (M/F) (Argentina, INT) {4/3/95} [$550K] 17. Valeri Qazaishvili #11 (M/F) (Georgia-Green Card) {1/29/93} [$1,604.1K] 18. Danny Hoesen #9 (F) (Netherlands-Green Card) {1/15/91} [$549.7K] 19. Chris Wondolowski #8 (F) {1/28/83} [$800K*] 20. [empty] * Indicates a known guaranteed contract. Supplemental Roster (Off-Budget-min $65K) 21. Jackson Yueill (M) #14 {3/19/97} [Generation Adidas - $190K] 22. Tommy Tompson (M/F) #22 {8/15/95} [$175K - Homegrown Player] 23. Siad Haji (M) #19 {12/1/99} [Generation Adidas - $104K] 24. [empty] Reserve Roster (Off-Budget-in $50K, under 25) 25. JT Marcinkowski #18 (G) {5/09/97] [$147K - Homegrown Player] 26. Nick Lima (D) #24 {11/17/94} [$218.5K-Homegrown Player] 27. Paul Marie # 33 (D) {3/24/95} [$57.3K] 28. Kevin Partida (M) #89 {3/10/95} [$57.3K] Homegrown Players (Additional Reserves Slots) 29. Gilbert Fuentes #35 (M) {2/21/02} [$92K - Homegrown Player] 30. Jacob Akanyirige #29 (D) {12/31/01} [$64.3K - Homegrown Player] Players on Loan Cade Cowell #44 (F) {10/14/03} [$67.3K - Homegrown Player] - Not eligible until mid-season. Jimmy Ockford #15 (D) {6/10/92} [$70.9] CURRENT SALARY TOTAL (Not updated) for 2019 the cap is was approximately ($4,240,000), and our overall salary is unknown (6,573,800 above, DPs=530k). Note: Some player's salaries were likely bought down this year with allocation money, and this cost is not represented in the figure above. Neither is new signing Carlos Fierro. The 2019 figures above will used to calculate our cap. Allocations, Slots, Rights, & Trades Allocations ***We received $150 TAM in 2019 for $ 110 GAM in 2020 from Columbus, allocation money for trading allocation order with TFC: $75K in GAM & $75K in TAM, Alashe from Cincinnati: $60K in TAM and $75K in GAM and Urena in the Expansion Draft: $100k of conditional GAM in 2019*** Trades, waivers, losses ---* $150 TAM in 2019 for $ 110 GAM in 2020 to Columbus- 7/18/19 ---* QWEBERG - Contract Bought Out - 3/2/19 ---* QUINTANA, HYKA, WEHAN, MUSOVSKI, & THIAW - Options Declined - 11/19/18 ---* ODURO - Out of Contract - 11/19/18 ---* AMARIKWA - to Montreal for Dominic Oduro - 8/8/18 ---* ALASHE - to Cincinnati for $60K in TAM and $75K in GAM - 7/30/18 ---* DAWKINS - Contract bought out - 2/16/18 ---* CEREN - to Houston for $175k in allocation money and $50k based on performance - 1/19/18 Slots ---* DP's - Wondolowski and Qazaishvil occupy a DP slot, so one slot is currently open. ---* We currently have no open INT slot. We have eight slots, and eight players require slots (Cummings, Eriksson, Kashia, Judson, Espinoza, Lopez, Vega & Fierro = INT). Rights ---* We are #5 on the allocation list. ---* All of our 2020 Superdraft picks. ---* All of our 2020 Waiver Draft and Re-Entry Draft picks. ---* Lottery eligible for the 2019 season. ---* We hold the rights to these unsigned MLS draftees: Sergio Rivas, Mamadi Camara & Nathan Aune. Staff * Tom Fox (President) * Jared Shawlee (Chief Operating Officer) * Jesse Fioranelli (General Manager) * Matias Almeyda(Head Coach) * Omar Zarif (Assistant Coach) * Benjamin Galindo (Assistant Coach) * Carlos Roa (Goalkeeper Coach) * Chris Leitch (Technical Director) SSVCF SSV centerlinesoccer
It's got to be in the conversation, I'm sure, which would explain the need to get TAM now. And it's hard to imagine Espinoza not earning a DP contract at this point, if he could be signed. Plus, the Quakes would still need to pay a transfer fee for him, right?
I would guess to keep either Fierro or Rios from earning more than the max allowed salary, and thus, taking up the third DP slot.
Not by itself, I don't think. If he's earning 800k in total compensation, 500k of that counts against the cap, so they'd need to combine that 150 with another 150. Maybe they have that much in total. now after the trade. I haven't been keeping track.