If anything, guys like Gabriel Jesus, Gabigol, Luan, and Rodrigo Caio show me that Brazil still produces high-class players. Maybe they're not Ronaldo or Rivaldo, but we can still be competitive.
No other nation produces Ronaldo Rivaldo Roberto Carlos Cafu in 1 cycle. If they did they would be called Brazil. Also no other nation currently has talent like brazil's young talent, and when you look at the brazilian NT put on the WC, no other nation also matches their talent. They over take us in team play. Germany has the same guys playing the same system, we put something together last minute... talent wise? Germany doesn't beat us. They do have talented players, but position by position we would win.
The most important thing in my opinion is that the youngsters make the correct career decisions. Thats imperative to ensure that this generation makes the transition to the first team and also develop their game. Avoid the China, Middle East, and Eastern Europe routes. 2 games into the Olympics, Zeca and Thiago Maia were being linked to PSG and Chelsea. Unless you're going to start or get ample time, I don't think our guys should keep making the jump to these mega teams so quickly. Lucas Silva situation is a prime example. Kenedy is about to get lost in Chelsea's loan carousel.
Brazil honestly never stop. People expectation were unrealistic. I always see Brazil isn't as good as the past comment but you can't measure current talent vs past talent; no matter what, they won't measure up. For example, Marcelo and Daniel Alves aren't scrubs because they are inferior to Cafu and Robero Carlos. And @Guigs mention how the likes of Ronaldo are once in a blue moon type talent, those don't come out every year. If anything we need to do a better job of keeping our talent and developing them and after their game has matured, sell them to proper European clubs.
Rafael Carioca just carted off the pitch against ponte , looks like the ankle. I wonder if tite is considering the two I want arao and Maia.
Let me push back a bit here. I get that there's a tendency to inflate past feats and treat greats of the past as larger than life. Part of it is unintentional--we tend to forget the mundane and remember the extraordinary. With that said, this is still an incredibly lazy generalization. Some generations produce more talent than others. And this isn't just the case with Brazil. But let's focus on us. How many players from this current generation have a chance of being named the best player in the world? Neymar. As of now, that's it. In the last 1.5 generations, we have: Ronaldo (2002, 1997, 1996) Ronaldinho (2006, 2005, 2004) Romario (1994) Rivaldo (1999) Kaká (2007) When each of those awards were given out, these players were being compared to other players in their present and, to some extent, expectations formed based on the past. No one had any idea of who was going to come next or how he would compare. So the "no matter what, they won't measure up" comment doesn't really hold. These were the people who experts considered to be the best at the time they were chosen. Brazilians used to be showing up on this list with pretty high frequency. Now they aren't. That's an objective fact. It isn't anyone's imagination or nostalgia-driven bias for the past.
Excellent on point Vickery article talking about the collective improvement starting in the Denmark game but noting frustrating lack of quality to finish plays in the Final: This was exactly what I saw and mentioned above.
Did Neymar, Gabigol and others agree to dye/bleach their hair as a result of winning gold? I saw Gabigol dyed his facial hair in yesterday's Copa do Brasil game and now Neymar.
Show me another nation with that track record Come on now... no country has ever had that generation, don't expect it to happen over and over... we went from the 1960s to the late 90s to have that happen.
A little confused with your post. I know the 80s team didn't win a WC, but people talk of those players very highly.
much better organization, CBF is a mess... we can't keep a coach for a WC cycle meanwhile your coach has been in command for a very long time. that gives the team stability. Saying Germany doesn't have the same talent doesn't mean much. The talent level nowadays is too close to call to begin with. Whats the difference between lahm and dani alves? Boateng and T.Silva? Neymar and Muller? William and Gomez? Luis Gustavo and Khedira.. those are very close calls talent wise to begin with, it's not that one is so superior to the other. However the brazilians do collect more accolades as individual players, having always at least 2 in the Fifa team of the year. The difference to me is just the organization itself, which elevates the more organized side. Brazil depends too much on talent alone, and in today's football that's not enough any longer.
Zico was of that Caliber, that's it. Here's a good comparison. For ever after now, people will think that Spain can produce another team that has, Casillas, Puyol, Iniesta, Xavi and David Villa. They'll wait for the rest of eternity. Cause that just doesn't happen. Same goes to Chile, they are having their best talent come together all at the same time. Once that's done they'll keep comparing players but they'll never be the same.
I would be curious to see your position-by-position breakdown of Brazil vs Germany on a talent level, and why you thought Brazil was better. Not in the mood for argument, but just asking.
Marcelo, Dani Alves, T.Silva and Neymar were all in the FiFPro World XI last year. compared to Neur. So automatically we have GK - Neuer LB - Marcelo CB - T.Silva CB - Marquinhos, Miranda, Boateng, Hummels RB - Dani Alves DM - Casemiro (hate him) Kross, Khedira, Luis Gustavo CM - Lucas Lima, R. Augusto, Schweinsteiger, Podolski, Paulinho AM - Ozil, Schurrle, Kimmich, William, Douglas Costa, Coutinho FW - Muller, Gomez, Gotze, Gabi Gol, Gabriel Jesus, Firmino, Luan (I would take Muller over all the other options) FW - Neymar Pretty much if you take any of the names and fill positions, you'll have the same team. Talent wise they are pretty similar. It's on the top of the line talent that brazilians are ahead. On defense 3/5 are Brazilian. The ones who are not, it's a toss up. Midfield there's a case for all of them, the talent is equal. Offensively Brazil has more talent. Considering that we have 2 19 year olds who are absolutely more talented than most players at their position. Germany has 35 recent call ups Brazil has 53 recent call ups That's what I mean about lack of consistency. And that's also what I mean about the talent pool being so large that a lot of those pieces are interchangeable in the Brazilian squad. But that doesn't make it for a good team.
Podolski isn't a CM as far as I know and you forgot one of their better midfielders in Gundogan. IMO, if you made an starting 11 of just German and Brazilian players, the central midfield pairing would be all German.
Not expecting another golden generation. Just some more actual craques. We had a decent crop come of age in the 80s... better overall than what we have at our disposal now, I'd argue. Zico Falcão Toninho Cerezo Socrates Careca
Zico is the only one that's a career stand out of that group. Respect to that group, but Cerezo, Falcao, Socrates and Careca are not at the same level. Neymar has already proven he is on a different level. Dani Alves actually IS on Roberto Carlos level. Dani Alves is the best RB we've had since Cafu and on his level. Junior from the 80s isn't on their level. T. Silva is probably the best defender Brazil has ever had. And don't say Aldair, as I've said before you get beat on headers off corners on a final... that's on your CB. Cerezo for as much as I liked him, he's not out of this world class he's on Dunga's class. Socrates was a great player, Rivaldoesque maybe, however, his status also has to do with off the field things. Politics, protest etc. Falcao's career was filled with happy years, however, it would be like saying Radamel Falcao is at his level, since his career was also exceptional from 2005-2013, eventually taking a nose dive. Careca I would say is more on Robinho's level. That's not saying he's a great player! Robinho has 100 caps with the Brazilian NT for a reason. But he's not at Zico's level.