Seleção General Discussion, 2016-17 - Era Tite [R]

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  1. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I wonder when Tite picks the call ups on Monday, will Luan get a little gift? I mean the game vs Germany is on his birthday!!:D
     
  2. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  3. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Call up announcement set for Monday, May 14th, 14:00 horas Brasilia time.
     
  4. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I know there wont be any real surprises!! Very Predictable Tite!!:cry:
     
  5. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I think this is the call-up for the 35 man squad. I believe that's what FIFA permitted. Then, there will be a final call-up toward the end of the month.

    Having read the news about Dani Alves, I actually think he will be out of the Cup. He needs 3 weeks just to be re-evaluated if he will need surgery.

    https://globoesporte.globo.com/fute...tempo-veja-opcoes-se-ele-nao-for-a-copa.ghtml

    Dani Alves is important enough that he will probably still be called up, and then cut if necessary.
     
  6. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA

    Dani Alves' World Cup career is over. CBF medical staff examined him and determined this injury will not heal in time.

    As we know, the 3 possible candidates are:
    - Fagner (Corinthians)
    - Danilo (Manchester City)
    - Rafinha (Bayern Munchen)

    I prefer Rafinha and Danilo as a sub. This isn't clubismo; Fagner is good, but he is not up to par for what the World Cup will bring. If anything, Fagner himself hasn't played since late April, and CBF staff are going to examine him. It sounds devious to hope that Fagner's own problems be serious enough to keep him out too - but the ultimate goal is to replace Alves with the best possible/available player and Fagner simply is not it.
     
  7. HTCONEM8

    HTCONEM8 Member

    May 16, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    What do you guys think of Fabinho (AS Monaco) and Mariano (Ex-Sevilla FC, currently plays for Galatasaray)? Are they good enough to replace Dani?
     
  8. ripalino

    ripalino Member

    Feb 26, 2013
    Sao Paulo
    Club:
    Fluminense Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    People might differ with me but i never like both the fullbacks bombing forward in search of goal and then run back to defend against a counter attack. A defensive minded RB will be better in the long run. A balance between attack and defense is very important at least against stronger teams. In Brazil, attack is always the buzzword - even GK ederson said after one of the ManCity games that he would love to score a goal. So, everyone is attack minded ( including the GK ) . I think whoever comes as a replacement to alves will do well to stay back and lend some solidarity to the Brazil defense.

    Alves and Marcelo looks very good when they join the attack. But it may not be always possible to track back quickly against tougher teams.
     
  9. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    It will be a blessing in disguise for our defense, I think. Hoping Danilo works his way into a starting spot.
     
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  10. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    With Fagner injured, and with the type season Danilo is having at City, Danilo seems to be the one.
     
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  11. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Really wish Fabinho had a chance. A shame.
     
  12. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    @Mengão86 thoughts on Alves being ruled out?
     
  13. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Danilo seems to play better on the left when ever I seen him play. He might be slightly better defensively that Alves but overal he is inferior.
     
  14. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Probably not a bad thing to have at least one FB that is more defensive and not as gung-ho on offense. But from what I've seen from Danilo, he isn't exactly that great on defense.
     
  15. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Not good. We lose a lot offensively. I think he’s still key to breaking any bunkers.
     
  16. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Not great defensively either, I would agree but I don’t think he is as gung ho offensively as Alves. I think a back 4 of Marquinhos, TS, Miranda and Marcelo is the best bet.
     
  17. ripalino

    ripalino Member

    Feb 26, 2013
    Sao Paulo
    Club:
    Fluminense Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Oh yes...this back 4 will be great ( if marquinhos can play decently in RB ). .
     
  18. ripalino

    ripalino Member

    Feb 26, 2013
    Sao Paulo
    Club:
    Fluminense Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    #718 ripalino, May 12, 2018
    Last edited: May 12, 2018
    I see lot of people panicking at the news of dani alves missing out of wc. But RB and LB was two of our weakest positions against stronger opponents. I think we will do well now with a decent RB who sticks to his basics without trying to be flashy and extravagant.

    I think danilo is the right person now . However If i was tite, i would have gone with

    Marquinhos , miranda , silva , marcelo
     
  19. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Damn didn't Pep play Fernandinho as a right back at this season? LOL
     
  20. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Plus his crossing though not on a Beckham level, but much better than any of this backups!!
     
  21. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    I don't necessarily see Alves' loss as a problem if the coach rethinks the strategy. Like all you guys, I'd also like a back four of Marquinhos, Miranda, T Silva, and Marcelo. It looks formidable on paper with no opponent likely to breach the off-side. However, there is a loss of attacking prowess, and consequently a change in formation is needed. Brazil can't play with 3 defense-minded midfielders. A right winger will need to be introduced. But Brazil luckily have plenty of options there (Willian, D Costa), who also help out in defense. I'd prefer attackers coming back to defend than defenders going up to attack and having to cover for them. The only issue I see in this arrangement is having to choose between Paulinho and Fernandinho (Casemiro will surely start). Or is it that Paulinho gets the nod over Coutinho/Jesus? In any case, this situation improves the chances of Willian/D Costa starting. But what I think may happen is that Danilo (or whoever is chosen) will start in the group stages, and when (or if!) they perform poorly, Tite will play Marquinhos at right back. One can't play the knock out stages with a liability in the right back position. Things would be much simpler though if Alex Sandro could play right back.
     
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  22. ripalino

    ripalino Member

    Feb 26, 2013
    Sao Paulo
    Club:
    Fluminense Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I agree but i think if marquinhos plays RB then he should be given that responsibility from group stages itself rather than playing danilo in group stages and then going to marquinhos in knock out games. Because marquinhos also needs to adapt himself in that position...
     
  23. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    #723 Doc_Exec, May 13, 2018
    Last edited: May 13, 2018
    Yes, Marquinhos should play from the beginning. I'll be glad if he does. However, I think Danilo/Fagner/Rafinha/Fabinho will get the nod initially. They are neither good offensively (compared to Alves) nor defensively (compared to Marquinhos and possibly even Alves). I'd earmark one of those guys plus Marquinhos for RB and choose an extra CB. Hasn't Alex Sandro played RB before? It's time for Tite to be creative. This might be a blessing in disguise. In 2006, old Cafu played instead of in-form Cicinho, and it did not go well. I was worried that Alves would commit a blunder here and there (he is not as pacey as before). Now there is a chance to solidify the RB position by being creative.
     
  24. ripalino

    ripalino Member

    Feb 26, 2013
    Sao Paulo
    Club:
    Fluminense Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Its funny that while in other positions we have so many choices Jesus or Firmino / Alisson or Ederson / Coutinho or Willian / Fernandinho or Paulinho . But in RB position we are struggling to find a worthy replacement of a 35 year old veteran.
     
  25. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    why does him being 35 play a role in anything? If anything that should illustrate how hard it is to find a rb in world football. He's probably the best rb in the world still.
     
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