Seleção 2014-15: Dunga II Begins -- Post Cup, Pre Qualifiers [R]

People po-pooed Damiao for the longest time, but even when he was being horrible at Santos I thought he was a good player being mis-used.

He's not going to create his scoring chances, but he will participate on most of your team's scoring. He's an amazing system player, if you know how to utilize him he can get you 30 goals a season. Dunga is a system player (himself) so he understands how to use players to fulfill their roles for his team, like Tite.

I think Damiao has a future at the selecao still.

 

He's not going to create his scoring chances, but he will participate on most of your team's scoring

read this part again.

In the Olympics he was our top GS and participated in more goals than other players. Yet you guys are so biased against him already that I've even saw people being surprised that he was the tournament's top scorer.

I actually think it was you that when I mentioned he was the top scorer of the olympics last time replied with.. no way he scored that many goals... maybe it was mengao

Either way it's sad that once again a coach doing a serious job gets fired in order for agenda pushers like Gilmar so CBF can pick players they want to auction off for the selecao.

Even worse that Dunga didn't want to work with Gallo at all during their time together and wanted to keep the base separate. He picked up the U-teams and built them up from scratch, was implementing a system and had already a whole infrastructure setup. To fire this guy shows the lack of planning and commitment brazilians have.

20 days for a new coach to come in and prepare a team for a U-World Cup... 20 days for a new coach to have his players forget 2 years of a system being taught to them and start playing his new system...

******** CBF... time for that cartel to go down.

 

Just no credit uh?

 

You know what I just noticed.. I was talking to my cousins over the games tonight, and their reaction towards Tite to me was just incredible, BUT it made me realize that sometimes I forget that even though I am posting in english I am talking to brazilians most of the time here.

What I mean by that is that you guys change your opinions and the assessment of players etc based on current form and results due to that form.

So for example:

Tite has Corinthians playing the exact same boring way he did in 2011-2012 when he won everything. Corinthians has played that way in 2013 also under Tite but all Corinthianos said he needs to go because the team is not doing well. Then he comes back team is doing well and everyone is happy.. Loses Paulista, gets knocked off libertadores and now everyone is saying how the team is not cohesive and how he cannot organize a team.

So that's the brazilian way of viewing things.

Let me explain my way of viewing things to see if you guys understand.

If I have a dollar... and I buy 1 dollar worth of candy I expect to have 1 dollar worth of candy. If at that point i'm REALLY hungry that snickers bar might taste like the best chocolate bar you've had in a while. So next time you spend another dollar you get really pissed off that whole and behold it's a 1 dollar snickers bar.

You get what you paid for, your experience might change because of your expectations are different, but you get what you paid for.

So... let's translate this into Football now.

You guys have a tendency of watching an avg player (dollar snicker's bar) that meets your expectation (team is doing well), then you guys make him out to be a above avg player (best chocolate bar ever), only to have your dreams crushed when you find out he's just and avg player he's always been (dollar snicker bar) and then go ahead and say that he's not worth even 1 dollar.

You guys do it to coaches and players. It's insane!

Like the Tite example, he's an AMAZING coach, he is likely the best retranqueiro in the world, Mourinho ain't got shit on him when it comes to setting up a defense. Difference is that Mourinho has at his disposal an infinite amount of resources to get solid defensive players. While Tite makes due with Gil & Company.

I guarantee you Mourinho does not take that 2013 Corinthians team into a Brasileirao and gets 22 goals scored on him, that's INSANE!

So.... Once again

Tite (snicker's bar) is a retranqueiro who won everything he could by not getting scored on and getting headers and "scrappy" goals. You hire him as a coach... DO NOT EXPECT THE BEST CHOCOLATE BAR IN THE WORLD.... expect Tite...



You guys need to have some introspection about that. Because you do that a lot to players and coaches, seriously... guys watch Damiao, he's the player that he's always been this whole time. I watched him in Inter in Santos and now at Cruzeiro. He's the type of player that will do give and go's on fast breaks, traps balls in long balls and has a large presence in the box so you can get some scrappy goals off him. Show me any Damiao goals where he simply took over a play went past people and just scored.. you won't find any he's a target man, he's the snicker's bar.

 

He was dropped because our selecao is a complete mess and has absolutely no prospect on development of players.

Seriously Damiao or Jo? To me that's not even a question... Jo's team wins Libertadores he becomes the best Chocolate in the world.

The only thing Jo was good for was to confuse people into thinking Seu Jorge was playing for the National Team.

 

Honestly Damiao has always been the same player, look at the goals he's scoring now, tap ins, scrappy goals, crosses etc. That's who he is... He's our Klose (actually Fred is a better Klose than Damiao)

And by the way, Fred looks good right now boy.

 

yet people expect different from Tite this time around. Makes no sense.

See to me there's a GREAT gap between an avg player and a great player, but most teams are made up of avg players. When you have a great player you automatically become a title contender and when you have 2-3 you're Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich.

I don't believe those teams are filled with great players, but tons of avg system players that know exactly what their roles are surrounded by great players.

The beauty of this is that when avg players buy into a system and become effective into that system they can look like a great player! That's what usually confuses people. Diego Costa (Judas for Mengao) is a perfect example, Busquets is another one, Pique, Dani Alves, Ganso, Dante, Sneijder.. you guys get where I am going right.

These are players that do absolutely nothing special but work in one place and don't on other places, they know how to do what they do in their systems to perfection.

Ask them to go outside of their comfort zone and you get bad results.

Busquets can't mark a date on a calendar
Pique lost a race to a turtle once
Dani Alves has an avenue named after him
Ganso thinks he plays american football and he's the QB and doesn't need to participate on all other aspects of the game.
Dante... I think his hair gets in the way of forwards better than he does
Sneijder aka Gans (that's Ganso in Dutch)

 

I mean look at the all time leading scorer of the World Cup... Miroslav Klose.. can you get more avg than that?

I don't think we can