Seems like it needs saying

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by liverbird, Oct 24, 2017.

  1. liverbird

    liverbird BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 29, 2000
    Mars
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One thing always seemed certain to me: Liverpool supporters were knowledgeable and committed to the club through the wind and the rain. Now all over the Internet, from Scousers and out of town supporters seemingly around the world there is a shower of invective and hate because the club has lost a game 4-1. And had some other less than stellar performances. On the worst end internet death threats. Organized hatred of the owners. Everyone with a villain. Players from Lovren to Can to Henderson to Mignolet to Firmino to Moreno etc castigated not just as not having skill but as terrible people. Klopp has gone from hero to people wanting him sacked in two months.

    This is not the Liverpool I fell in love with. This sounds very much like the sounds that come from the other side of the park

    I remain convinced that Klopp is the leader we need. He will sort out the problems. And I am old enough to know that the shiny new thing everyone wants may turn into a Sinama Pongolle or Cisse.

    So I think it’s time for everyone to remind themselves that a lost game or a lost season is nothing compared to 96 lost supporters. Our club has been through a lot, great joy and great sorrow, but we need to remind ourselves that YNWA is not just a slogan, or a song we sing before and after games, it’s what being an LFC supporter stands for.
     
  2. hubbabubba

    hubbabubba Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 17, 2002
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    hear! hear!
     
  3. newterp

    newterp Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Amen!! Bob - great post. It's become depressing coming into threads lately because of the stupidity and hate. I've tried to mellow out over the years and am embarrassed that I was probably like those folks when younger. But as you point out - we love Liverpool Football Club (ok I like the city a lot as well) - used to be called the best supporters on earth. We need to get back to that.
     
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  4. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Definitely stick with the team through the storms and the sunny days. Just frustrating and a good place to air grievances on here!

    Don't want Klopp out and don't want any harm to our players. Just want them to remove their heads from their asses sometimes.
     
  5. el-capitano

    el-capitano Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 30, 2005
    Sydney
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    If you think posters on here are bad- try reading FB or Instagram. The people on here look like Rhodes Scholars. ;)
     
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  6. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    ignore the halfwit keyboard warriors.
     
  7. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Walk on through the wind, walk on through the rain
    Though your dreams be tossed and blown ...
     
  8. CB-West

    CB-West Member+

    Sep 20, 2013
    NorCal
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Walk on...walk on...

    Well said LB

    If you can't support them when they lose then don't support them when they win...
     
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  9. liverbird

    liverbird BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 29, 2000
    Mars
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Found this on the Twitters C0153153-6646-47CF-9708-AC2414E28516.jpeg
     
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  10. newterp

    newterp Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    brilliant.
     
  11. ryered

    ryered Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    Hill Country
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Good stuff. Part of what I call the Liverpool Disease is reacting to every hot streak or new signing with "we're going to win the League!" type expectations. Those of us older supporters can be prone to it because of decades of frustration. There's such a thing as passionate, loyal criticism. But constructive criticism only.
     
  12. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've simply gotten into the habit of steering clear of the online world after losses and I've taken to audiobooks in lieu of podcasts. Currently knee deep into Crime and Punishment. I'm not sure it's benefiting my mental health as I feel myself becoming increasingly paranoid as he descends into madness, but at least its not people raging about a football game.
     
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  13. newterp

    newterp Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think I feel your pain
     
  14. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    I haven't been back to the Spurs thread since the loss for the very same reason. The finger pointing, the hate.
    I was really excited when Klopp came aboard and I still am. I didn't have the unrealistic expectations even after some early wins.
    The idea was to try and get in the CL we did that earlier than we thought. Nobody promised that we'd win the league.
    Again our achievable goal this season would be to fight our way into the top 4 and get some good experience in the CL. To do better than that we need those quality players.

    I've been doing my pissing and sarcasm on the Politics threads. It helps.
     
  15. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it was the goal we gave up against Newcastle that solidified my resignation. Can't bring myself to rage, no use in it. Our heads have well and truly gone on defense. Not good enough individually or collectively. My hope is the blinders have finally come off for Klopp and he fixes it by buying new players.

    The season isn't gone by any means. Lallana and Mane to return in November. Clyne hopefully by December. VVD in January. The competitors for 4th are as flawed as we are. We can still play within anyone on our day, so a CL run is still on the cards.
     
  16. LiverpoolFanatic

    Liverpool FC, Philadelphia Union
    Feb 19, 2000
    Lancaster, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I had a copy of Crime and Punishment on audio. Listened to it several times until one of the tapes broke. George Guidall was the reader if IIRC. Great stuff.


    I think one can support the club while also engaging in legitimate criticism. Lovren was awful and does have a penchant for bone headed mistakes as we all know. Saying he should harmed in someway or is a worthless human being is different. The line gets fuzzy at times.
     
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  17. canucksh

    canucksh Member

    Jun 2, 2015
    I don't hate Klopp, the team or FSG. But that doesn't mean I don't have concerns and I think there are concerns that need to be discussed but with objectivity and not hysteria. At this moment my concerns are mostly with Klopp. I think he has been given the support from the club and he has had every opportunity to shape this team to his wishes or at least get it to around 80%. I have no problems giving him time but there are a growing list of issues with how he is managing the team which concerns me. Some issues include tactical naivety, lack of character and on field leadership in the team, lack of certain players like a specialist DM (and I don't count Naby as one), wants to be everyone's friend and not the father eg (rotating three goalkeepers and not making the hard decisions).

    That said, I desperately want to be proven wrong because I love Klopps personality and enthusiasm and I really want him to succeed.
     
  18. Fussballer

    Fussballer Member+

    Liverpool FC
    Sep 18, 2002
    In my head
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'm as pessimistic as they come but Klopp and LFC have my support. I'm positive they can dig us out of the hole.
     
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  19. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    There's no whining in football!
     
  20. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    So basically what you are saying is that as much as you like Klopp. If he doesn't fit with the criteria you've laid out. That Liverpool should sack him, them spend time looking for a replacement that would (or not) give us instant gratification Perhaps a 4th spot in the league in his first season with entry into the CL?
    Or perhaps he won't fit at all. So we sack him and move on.

    Who do you have on your short list to replace Klopp right now? It'd be interesting to see how they're doing with their current club and to see if they may be enticed to come over.

    Just curious.
     
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  21. newterp

    newterp Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Essentially that's what he's saying - but with a lot of words.
     
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  22. Wingtips1

    Wingtips1 Member+

    May 3, 2004
    02116
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Zidane may be out of a job soon...:p
     
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  23. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    ZiZu is actually following a line of successful managers. Something like Liverpool back in the Glory Days....Until along came Souness
     
  24. CB-West

    CB-West Member+

    Sep 20, 2013
    NorCal
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    This guy named Gerrard should be ready in a few years...give Klopp time - he will work things out...when he retires after winning a PL title and CL title - Gerrard will step in, and continue the Red's road to GLORY! :cool:
     
  25. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This talk of crisis and holes is so overblown it does my head in. We've lost 2 matches all year after the 7th toughest 10 game schedule to start a season any team in the PL has had since 1994. We are top of our CL group.

    The general consensus was if we added Keita and VVD we'd be serious title contenders and if we didn't we be battling for top 4. We didn't add them and so we are battling for top 4.

    Two bad losses on the road against 2 of the best teams in the league isn't a crisis or a hole.
     
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