Saved the Crew

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  1. TheUltra

    TheUltra Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    2.4 Miles from home
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I vote yes before the game, and maybe yes after the game depending on what happens haha
     
  2. ZipSix

    ZipSix BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 20, 2000
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    did Los Angeles Football Craft pick yet?
     
  3. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Did you read the same article I did?

    There have been ambiguous interpretations and tellings almost from the time of Aesop.
     
  4. JB-CBUS221

    JB-CBUS221 Member+

    Columbus Crew SC
    United States
    Jul 19, 2018
    Columbus, Ohio
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jackson was so corrupt the spoils system and most nepotism and anti-corruption laws we have came out of response to his Presidency. There are stories of people openly bribing him in view of the public.
     
  5. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When I saw that photo the first thing I thought was that they looked like they were wearing Tallits.

    I can't find a good picture of a tallit at the moment, on my phone, but it's a Hebrew prayer shawl.
     
  6. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The founder of the Democratic Party.

    It's only in the last few years that they stopped having annual "Jefferson-Jackson Day" dinners. Now that would pretty much be the same as having and annual "Lee-Davis Luncheon"
     
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  7. west ham sandwich

    Feb 26, 2007
    C-bus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All I got from that is "Winter is coming"
     
  8. 110toyourleft

    110toyourleft Member+

    Jan 27, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, I don't care what anyone says, I will be chanting Guillermo. At least for the first game, maybe not subsequent.
     
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  9. Ueberjames

    Ueberjames Member+

    Columbus Crew
    Mar 28, 2009
    Stow, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was my first thought as well.
     
  10. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course it does--but that more reflective on how it's viewed now than 50 years ago when I was learning it in school. We learned about Aesop. We didn't learn about de la Fontaine. He's big in France. Here? Not so much.

    Wikipedia has it's biases and flame wars. Try reading about the post WWI plebiscites in Eastern Europe for one. :eek:
     
  11. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you watching this shit? Utterly awful, long, boring prepared speeches.
     
  12. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    That's beside the point. There have been alternative tellings since Aesop. You can edit the page like anyone else. Have at it.
     
  13. ZipSix

    ZipSix BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 20, 2000
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, I was just making a one-year old Garber joke.
     
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  14. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did you miss the part where I wrote "by the meager standards of the 1820s"? By which, I mean that he defied the Supreme Court of the United States to break treaties that the United States had signed with the Five Civilized Tribes and forceably relocate them to what is now Oklahoma. In the process of said relocation, a sizeable chunk of those people being relocated died.

    And while you speak of "advancing American interests," I will remind you that those people who were forced from their lands and died were Americans.

    And then there's this.

    There are plenty of hills on which one can choose to die. Defending Andrew Jackson would seem to be an unfortunate one, especially since one doesn't need to have modern sensibilities to consider what he did to be abhorrent.
     
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  15. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did anyone else just lose the sound?
     
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  16. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What was, perhaps, worse was that he relocated the natives in order to make the land available for cotton planting, which of course went hand in hand with a huge expansion of slavery into Alabama and Mississippi.

    And of course he himself bought up enormous tracts for pennies and then sold it at a huge profit.

    Andy has a whole bunchof evil to answer for.
     
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  17. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Editing Wikipedia is a fools game, frankly. But that's not the point. No one in US schools 50 years ago were using any of these alternatives. There was one interpretation. That's changed--and indicates the change in our culture.

    But let's see who we got in the draft, eh?
     
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  18. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Slavery might be America's Original Sin, but its history of visiting genocide, forced relocation, family separation, and broken promises on American Indians is America's Original Addiction. It's been something that universal to all political stripes, we've justified it and rationalized it and excused it for so long that it's second nature, we have operated so long with it baked into our national fabric that it sometimes seems impossible to see how things could've been different, and it's been a slow-acting poison the entire time.
     
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  19. JB-CBUS221

    JB-CBUS221 Member+

    Columbus Crew SC
    United States
    Jul 19, 2018
    Columbus, Ohio
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Standing tickets at Mapfre for a crew game take it to just over 21.5k according to my ticket rep.
     
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  20. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I forget the (SF) author, but there was a quote along the lines that it's hard to find a political figure anywhere with no blood on their hands.

    We're human. Any hero (heck, even merely a respected figure) we have will have feet of clay, somewhere--somehow.
     
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  21. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    You'll find quickly that arguing with jack is exhausting.
     
  22. JB-CBUS221

    JB-CBUS221 Member+

    Columbus Crew SC
    United States
    Jul 19, 2018
    Columbus, Ohio
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The history of both parties is an ethical and doctrine/policy trainwreck that would make even the most ardent supporter of either side uncomfortable if they looked at them long enough.
     
  23. hungariansteven

    hungariansteven Member+

    May 29, 2012
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    This draft is fun to attend. Mostly because of all the jokes we are making around this event.
     
  24. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    That's a super-hollow sentiment in a number of cases. By that standard, Stalin is a "hero", and not just of the Soviet Union.
     
  25. JB-CBUS221

    JB-CBUS221 Member+

    Columbus Crew SC
    United States
    Jul 19, 2018
    Columbus, Ohio
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So much is wrong with this statement and its representation of history it is amazing. For one large tracts of the Roman empire were willed to Rome by various monarchies to avoid a civil war after the passing of a monarch.
     

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