I know you're smart enough to google "MAGA" "hate crimes". The fact that you and superdave use the word "triggered" tells me all I need to know. You've been indoctrinated, but Bigoccer isn't 4chan. These are often boys from progressive or moderate families - but their online behavior & viewing habits are often ignored.Here's an early red flag: if your kid says "triggered" as a joke referring to people being sensitive, he's already being exposed & on his way. Intervene!— joanna schroeder (@iproposethis) August 13, 2019 And to answer superdave's question, yes up here the only people you typically see wearing those hats are racists. As for violence 99% of the "violence" associated with antifa are people fighting back in self defense. Antifa doesn't plan marches through towns. They only show up when the nazi's show up. The fascists actually plan to provoke them then start recording after they respond. Sometimes though they record before their planned attacks. This clip, shot right before Patriot Prayer arrived at Cider Riot on May Day, is the clearest evidence I've seen supporting the claim that PP & leader Joey Gibson were intent on instigating a fight that afternoon. https://t.co/G1iM9XUDi2— Alex Zielinski (@alex_zee) August 22, 2019 Unlike what you've been spoon fed by alt-right media like Fox News the intelligence community understands antifa is not the violent threat you think it is. The real violent domestic terrorist threat are white supremacists. White supremacist violence responsible for spike in US domestic terror arrests, FBI says'A majority of the domestic terrorism cases we've investigated are motivated by ... white supremacist violence' FBI Director Christopher Wray says. #ElPaso#Texas https://t.co/PODTwqQ9FE— The Muthoka® (@MuthokaTito) August 3, 2019 Here's a Republican who worked under George Bush and Barrack Obama and who used to head a unit at the Department of Homeland Security which tracked violent white supremacist groups before it was shut down because of right wing pressure on the Obama administration over its findings evn though the report was prepared during the Bush administration. The paranoid Alex Jones crowd ended up creating such a shitstorm over the leaked report that the work his unit did went into the garbage. There is a very real possibility that had that work continued the El Paso, Pittsburgh or many other white supremacist shootings in the US might not have happened. So lets be real here, white supremacists and other hate groups are killing people both singularly and en masse and you're upset over someone shouting about how "the jews will not replace them" or how "white people are the superior race" getting their feelings hurt over a pie to the face, a milkshake or silly string. Snowflakes. This isn't about left vs right. This is about right vs wrong. You can side with the fascists if you like but you're on the wrong side of history. The reason we're opposing the MLS policy is because people have already been harmed by it.
How open would Portland/Seattle fans be to the following: Signs supporting traditional marriage Pro life signs Various religious signs I'd say the answer is essentially a 0% chance the fans there would support their team allowing these kinds of things, and they'd be right to want nothing to do with them in a professional sports context. I'll continue to applaud MLS for wanting nothing to do with the psychotic twits on either side of this issue and hope they'll back off from the league mandated political statements as well.
To me, this is common knowledge. Maybe people who are less informed don’t know this? That would explain why I’m so flabbergasted at how antifa is being depicted in this thread. Nice try, but you fail. We’re not talking about signs saying “support marriage equality.” We aren’t talking about “my body, my choice” signs. We aren’t talking about...not really sure about the analogy here. Yes, if you change things, things would be different. No shit, Sherlock. The proper analogies would be “Westboro Baptist is right” and then a pair of no analogies because there aren’t any pro choice or pro atheism signs that I know of. It’s telling that people on the other side of the argument are STILL making the implicit assumption that “racism: good or bad?” is controversial. Maybe Gagliardi is right and my optimism is misplaced. Maybe there really is a large faction in our politics that wants to reopen the white supremacy issue and reopen the fascism issue. How else should I interpret Joe Greene’s post?
The are no resources to use. RB isn't resourcing Metro. The team isn't stubbornly refusing to use some bounty that RB is aching to give them. The extra tool is a plane that makes for a smoother trip as Metro players and coaches move on to Germany and Austria.
I get that you're just using examples here, but the details are relevant. Gay marriage and abortion are legal in the United States, which means, as a culture, we've decided those are rights Americans have. So holding these signs at a football match is actively advocating to take people's rights away. Having said that, I'm for it. I think more discourse about ideas is better; frankly. Let's get those thoughts out in the open and see if they really hold up to scrutiny. A big problem with our politics now, IMO, is groups talk to their own echo chambers and some ideas that should not have withstood the test of time have allowed to persist because of this.
It is controversial if it implies agreement with antifa. The last A in antifa is for action and attacking nazis and klansmen (actually attacking them with clubs, etc) is a crime. There's also some base stealing going on in this thread in calling Proud Boys or Patriot Prayer white supremacists. They're basically just right wing street brawlers. The PB group that are NYCFC fans are overwhelmingly Latino. I was at the Columbus-Cincinnati match on Sunday and when the FCC fans marched in some douche had an iron front 2 stick and ran to the front of the march to make it look like the whole group was endorsing his cause. There was also a guy with an iron front flag. Both were in the bailey fan area and neither seemed to have been removed.
Antifa stands for anti-fascist action. They actually do attack people and groups they consider fascist. That's a lot different than simply having a counter protest and exercising their free speech rights.
Reason I raised an eyebrow is because I've long considered there to be a difference between Antifascist Action, the organization, and antifa/ anti-fa, the general movement. In neither case did I read/hear the last "a" is for action since that rather disrupts the rules for acronyms. Now if it was printed "AntiFA" I'd have seen the connection. But I digress...
Sorry but moderator or not I have to call you out on a lot of misinformation you're giving out which is dangerous. #1 Antifa does not stand for "antifascist action" it just short for anti-fascist. Anyone against fascism is antifa. #2 Antifa does not go out to attack anyone, they DO defend people who are attacked and they defend themselves. You don't hear of "antifa marches" or "antifa demonstartions" in absence of fascist groups marching or having hate rallys. In other words, antifa is not a group, its a mindset which says "I won't be bullied by fascism, I won't let my community be bullied by it either." #3 Antifa is not "leftist", there are people from all political stripes who consider themselves antifascist, from socialists to libertarians. #4 Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer are in fact white supremacist organizations, there are multiple photos and videos of them giving "white power" hand signals. The ones who came to harass fans in Seattle did the same thing when they left Fuel the bar ECS was in after Drew Carey told the Proud Boys to ******** off and security told them they weren't getting in . It's on their own video which they posted to youtube. One also does this when they assaulted a fan on the way to the match. Here is what that hand signal looks like: Media,do not give white supremacists a voice.They only have 2 messages:• Lies• HateNeither is newsworthy.Report what you see, not what they say. e.g. White power symbol, Trump hat, face mask, Proud Boy shirt, 🇺🇸.@abcnews @CBSNews @NBCNews @FoxNews @BBCNews #AUnitedFront pic.twitter.com/y7U2RoKT0W— Portland Beer 🍺 (@Portland_Beer) August 18, 2019 More background on it from the Anti-Defamation League: https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/okay-hand-gesture #5 The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) which tracks hate groups and the FBI both consider the Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer white nationalist extremist groups following the events of Charlottesville. What you are doing is a form of projection and its pretty clear. For more on how this works I recommend people read the following article from the SPLC's Hatewatch blog: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...l-right-blames-rising-political-violence-left So basically one side acts like racist idiots, attacks people and then when people punch back point and say "Seee!!! Antifa is VIOLENT!". Here is the latest genius to try that: Man in MAGA hat clashed with different Portland bar crowd before his alleged assault, video shows https://t.co/58QdEDcwer pic.twitter.com/wAK0fF6etc— The Oregonian (@Oregonian) August 27, 2019
Congratulations, you've been both triggered and trolled by a hoax. Even the ADL link you provided shows the OK hand gesture isn't about white power. Do you want me to post picture of various liberal luminaries using the gesture? Most antifa folks I've seen are white. The PP and PB are more diverse so when antifa goes after them it looks like white folks attacking a group of people not like them.
C’mon. Antifa as it’s almost always used signifies “a political protest movement comprising autonomous groups affiliated by their militant opposition to fascism and other forms of extreme right-wing ideology.” (Wikipedia) Saying anyone who’s against fascism is antifa is like saying anyone who’s for a federal republic is Republican. And you’re painting antifa in far too positive a light. Antifa is militant and responsible for violence. And they’re not just responding to violence from the other side. I recall a recent incident where they severely beat up a gay, minority blogger in Portland. Here’s what the ADL says: “Most people who show up to counter or oppose white supremacist public events are peaceful demonstrators, but when antifa show up, as they frequently do, they can increase the chances that an event may turn violent.“
You mean Andy Ngo? The guy who goes around inciting people? You realize his account of what happened was so thoroughly discredited that his alt-right employer let him go right? The guy has no credibility: You seem all too willing to go after people defending themselves against what are in most cases ARMED white supremacists that I question your motives as well. Everyone has a right to defend themselves, particularly when the violence COMES FROM the people marching around with weapons and racism wrapped in american flags. This is why several of these guys are now facing felony assault charges: https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2...ibson-turns-himself-in-on-felony-riot-charge/ https://www.bendbulletin.com/localstate/7382845-151/6-indicted-on-charges-related-to-may-day By the way often the people you think are antifa aren't, they dress up as one to give them a bad name. This is an example of one of these guys who got caught doing just that: More counter-protesters than rally-goers turned out for the God, Guns and Liberty rally Saturday, Aug. 10 in Eugene. The one person arrested appears to be affiliated with right-wing groups but dressed at the rally in black Antifa-like garb. https://t.co/xRMO10kAU2— Camilla Mortensen (@EugWklyCamilla) August 11, 2019 The fact remains, white supremacist terror has been responsible for mass shootings across the US for years. There is no equivalence between throwing silly string at Nazis and gunning down people. I'm done with this thread. I have sufficiently provided relevant facts with links to news stories and videos from credible people. All you have are alt-right talking points. I also live up here and tend to know what goes on where I live.
just visited portland and basically 90% of the city fits what some here are trying to classify as antifa
It's almost like they're the actual residents of the city as opposed to a bunch of Nazi LARPers being bussed in from out of town with the expressed purpose of wasting public resources and stirring up shit.
Well, even the leftist source The Young Turks you posted mentions that the head of Quilette, for whom Andy Ngo wrote, directly contradicts your assertion that he was fired. Ngo left on his own to pursue some other activities, his former employer says. And they really didn’t provide any evidence that he provoked or incited the violence. I’m sure you’ve seen the pictures of his face; antifa did quite a job on him. If you consider Wikipedia and the Anti-Defamation League sources of alt-right talking points, I don’t know what to tell you. Why does antifa cover their faces? (I’m going out on a limb to guess they’re not ashamed of their opposition to fascism.) The group is militant and associated with violence. There’s a reason MLS prohibited a symbol associated with antifa, and it’s not because the league is pro-fascist.
This thread has only strengthened my opinion that MLS is correct in trying to prohibit political expression in the stands. I agree with the TA and ECS in pointing out the nebulous definition of what constitutes political expression used by the league.
This past weekend, some Antifa folks protested a straight pride parade in Boston. Three dozen were arrested, many for assaulting police officers. From the Boston Herald: “We’re covered in black so when we attack these guys we can’t be prosecuted,” said Jon Crowley, an Antifa member who told the Herald that he felt violence was the only way to deal with the people marching in the parade, which went from Copley Square to City Hall Plaza. “They are fascists, 100%. How else are you going to get them to shut up?” https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/0...raight-pride-parade-marchers-clash-in-boston/