San Antonio Spurs USL thread

Discussion in 'San Antonio FC' started by EPJr, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. EPJr

    EPJr Member+

    Mar 21, 2009
    Richmond VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Spurs Group Eyes Alamo Stadium
    By Lindsay Kastner, San Antonio Express News

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    Spurs Sports & Entertainment Vice President Leo Gomez said Thursday the company will propose bringing a United Soccer Leagues franchise to Alamo Stadium to play 12 to 15 home games, eventually developing it into a Major League Soccer team.

    “We would work to grow the market and get to that point sooner rather than later,” Gomez said.

    The proposal would mean keeping the stadium's football field but doing away with the eight-lane track to make room for the pro soccer field.
    The San Antonio Independent School District, which owns the stadium and the adjacent Convocation Center, begins soliciting partnership concepts for the facilities today

    http://uslpro.uslsoccer.com/home/491189.html
     
  2. Etchegoyen

    Etchegoyen Member

    Oct 31, 2010
    Cancer Christi
    Club:
    Carabobo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Puerto Rico
    Re: San Antonio

    A 23,000 seat stadium hosting USL-PRO (division 3) games? :eek:
     
  3. CJBinATX

    CJBinATX New Member

    Oct 23, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: San Antonio

    Orlando's doing it with 70,000
     
  4. Etchegoyen

    Etchegoyen Member

    Oct 31, 2010
    Cancer Christi
    Club:
    Carabobo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Puerto Rico
    Re: San Antonio

    TRIPLE-WOW :eek:

    Why not also use the Rose Bowl, Neyland, Michigan, and Ohio State stadliums for USL-PRO?
     
  5. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
    PuertoPlata, DomRep
    Re: San Antonio


    yes, why not, more money to the sinkhole
     
  6. Mikey mouse

    Mikey mouse Member

    Jul 27, 1999
    Charleston, SC
    Club:
    Charleston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: San Antonio

    The Citrus Bowl is going to lower bowl only. somewhere 8-10K

    I imagine if Spurs get the Alamo Bowl, they will remove the track Move the field toward the endline stands. That would pretty much eliminate the last two sections on each side of stadium, cutting the real cappacity to somewhere around 19K or so.

    Still huge by D3 standards but not the Rose bowl by any means
     
  7. kyleburkholder

    Dec 4, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    South Africa
  8. eclipse02

    eclipse02 Member

    Sep 20, 2009
  9. kyleburkholder

    Dec 4, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    South Africa
    Re: San Antonio

    At least your reasoning is strong and well-rationed.

    Seriously...weigh the bids and then choose a side.
     
  10. CCSUltra

    CCSUltra Member+

    Nov 18, 2008
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: San Antonio

    You gotta realize, eclipse subscribes to the WhiteStarWarriors school of thought. If you ask him, SS&E's attempt to bring soccer to San Antonio is nothing more than an attempt to undermine NASL. He conveniently ignores the fact that SS&E has been working with USL for the past 3 years in buying a franchise.

    He doesn't let facts get in the way of a good rant. Sunshines out of NASL's every orifice, in his mind.
     
  11. eclipse02

    eclipse02 Member

    Sep 20, 2009
    Re: San Antonio

    I have ad i support Hartman because i have more faith in the NASL then i do the USL. And to be honest Hartman is a very honest man and is following what Montreal did to get in MLS (Plan wise).
     
  12. ButlerBob

    ButlerBob Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    Evanston, IL
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: San Antonio

    Not sure I see your rational on how they are following Montreal's path to MLS? Montreal actually has money behind their bid and big money at that. I wish Hartman luck and think he's done some good things (theme park and soccer park). But I question his finances. He needs the city to pay for his stadium (granted only 8 mil I think) but in turn he's going to give up the land that his two parks stand on. Also, he's looking for the pro team to act as a funding agent for his theme park. As we all know these things don't really make money, and if they do, it's not that much. So I question his overall ability to fund the team ongoing.


    Just for me, looking at the two orgs / people, SSE has a track record of running teams and sports organizations. And they seem to be better funded.
     
  13. kyleburkholder

    Dec 4, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    South Africa
    Re: San Antonio

    Ding ding ding!!
     
  14. longballer

    longballer Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Carolina Railhawks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: San Antonio

    As an outsider looking in, I don't understand why it would take SS&E 3 years+ to buy a franchise. I never even heard of any interest to expand into San Antonio until the NASL group raised their hand. Now there's two competing groups? Smells fishy to me.
     
  15. CCSUltra

    CCSUltra Member+

    Nov 18, 2008
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: San Antonio

    If you hadn't heard about the Spurs interest, you haven't been following the league that closely.
     
  16. longballer

    longballer Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Carolina Railhawks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: San Antonio

    If you're talking about USL, then you're right. Still, why haven't the Spurs "pulled the trigger" by now? I would think if a group like the Spurs were seriously interested in USL, the league would've been promoting the hell out of it, to the extent it would be spilling over into MLS sites, for example. Obviously I'm not there on the ground so this is just an outsider's perspective. I imagine they could be a really strong ownership group.
     
  17. eclipse02

    eclipse02 Member

    Sep 20, 2009
    Re: San Antonio

    there have been little whispers but they never bothered following through until they lost out to Hartman for an NASL team. Yes the Spurs were one of three groups trying to get an NASL franchise but lost out and ran back to the USL.
     
  18. longballer

    longballer Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Carolina Railhawks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: San Antonio

    Hah! I was right.

    Interesting... so who was the third group? Would they join forces with either Hartman or Spurs?
     
  19. eclipse02

    eclipse02 Member

    Sep 20, 2009
    Re: San Antonio

    Good question, All i know is that the Spurs were given the opportunity join Hartman but decided not to.
     
  20. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: San Antonio

    I don't remember the Spurs ever trying to get an NASL team. Do you have a source for that?

    ...and I thought this was a thread about the USL, not the NASL.
     
  21. jhope

    jhope BigSoccer Supporter

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Mar 18, 1999
    San Antonio, TX USA
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From what I have heard the Spurs for the last three years have been working with the USL. They did have a few meetings with the NASL but decided to stick with the longevity of the USL league. The Spurs have always said they needed to have a venue first. Once they can have a venue they will most likely announce they will have a team. No venue, no team.

    Eclipse 02,when you say Hartman asked the Spurs to join him do you mean as equal partners? I don't think that is what Mr. Hartman had in mind when he said join. It is my understanding Mr. Hartman wants 100% of the proceeds to go to Morgan's Wonderland. He is not looking to split profits with the Spurs. The Spurs see soccer as an opportunity to grow their brand. Both ideas have merit. But have different business philosophies.

    The third group flirted with both leagues and was close to making a deal with NASL. They were waiting for the fallout between the two leagues when Mr. Hartman bought the NASL rights. They are made up of people with a lot of soccer experience with close ties to MLS. They will be owning a franchise in some other city at a later date.
     
  22. longballer

    longballer Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Carolina Railhawks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for the synopsis. I hope whoever comes out on top of this struggle does the right thing for the fans of San Antonio. I have reservations about both factions.
     
  23. CagedMonky

    CagedMonky Member

    Jul 25, 2008
    San Antonio
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Re: San Antonio

    Spurs passed on the NASL. Aaron Davidson/NASL wanted the Spurs but the Spurs didnt want them back. Spurs always wanted USL.

    They want to secure stadium first and that has always been the hold up.

    The Spurs are not willing to gamble on an unproven league and thats why they went with the league that has a history (even considering some of it is bad). The Spurs are always calculated in their dealings and because of this they have never folded any of their four sports franchises.

    KyleBurkholder posted an article on the Scorpions forum concerning Hartmans troubles with MW and STAR. The Spurs have been in the sports business for decades. So right out the gate, the Scorpions have a lot of weight on their shoulders to financially support the needs of MW/STAR as the article Kyle posted shows. The Spurs most likely realize they can lose 5 seasons as they have lost on their other teams (Rampage).

    Let's not be foolish, Hartman knew he was going up against the Spurs from when he first started talking to NASL. He just decided to announce a team before securing a venue. Spurs are doing the opposite.

    Speaking of factions... Which faction do you think can get us to the promised land (MLS)?
     
  24. CagedMonky

    CagedMonky Member

    Jul 25, 2008
    San Antonio
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Re: San Antonio

    That's because Spurs were never trying to get a NASL franchise even though eclipse02 incorrectly stated it as fact. NASL did try to court the Spurs. Spurs always set on USL.
     
  25. kyleburkholder

    Dec 4, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    South Africa
    Re: San Antonio

    Here is what we know: USL is playing this coming year.

    They have teams that have stadiums and they will play minor-league soccer all over the US - and in many markets that are aspiring MLS markets.

    Eclipse02 may be a NASL fanboy, but they currently aren't sanctioned. So what's the point?

    This is a USL board. Let's talk USL Expansion (and that means SS&E's attempts to land a team).

    I can't wait for SS&E to be approved to play in Alamo Stadium - I will chant that all day long.

    KB
     

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