Sacramento MLS Expansion Superthread

Discussion in 'Sacramento Republic FC' started by 30King, Nov 28, 2013.

  1. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Have they?

    They have been impressive, but I don't believe you can simply insert a multiplier and expect their attendance to jump to much more than 20k in MLS, especially when much of their attendance success is likely based the MLS hype.
     
  2. Salvadanish

    Salvadanish Member

    Sep 14, 2014
    Vancouver, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    We should also remember that while the Timbers vastly underestimated their eventual commercial success from the past 6+ seasons, they are still the exception* rather than the rule. Also, should Sacramento's stadium be expanded in the future, it would likely face fewer logistical and municipal challenges compared with Portland's.

    * Atlanta might do the same, though it's too early to tell.
     
  3. 30King

    30King Member+

    Jul 22, 2013
    Rocklin, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    There's no way to quantify what attendance will be at the MLS level. Look at Orlando, Portland, Seattle- clubs with decent but unremarkable lower division attendance.

    I think the best gauge is the overall vibe and impression the team is currently making in Sac. The Republic have ingrained themselves in Sacramento's sports scene and the community has embraced the team.
     
  4. 30King

    30King Member+

    Jul 22, 2013
    Rocklin, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Sacramento's stadium will be built to around 20k initially, with a max capacity of 25k. That 25k is what MLS considers the "sweet spot" for long term attendance averages.

    The 5k expansion I'll be built in. They are only taking the south end line stands halfway up. The infrastructure will already be there.
    This is done intentionally to create a scarcity and demand for tix.

    I believe they will be able to go above 25k with SRO tickets if the need is there.

    Personally, I wish they would have the max capacity be around 30k, because I think the market can handle it. But once you cross the 25-27k capacity, you start needing upper concourses, with dramatically increase the cost. I was told that once you cross that 25-27 threshold, you need to go to 40k to justify the upper concourse and all the support facilities that go with it- concessions and bathrooms, Elevators, etc.
     
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  5. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Hahahahahahaha
     
  6. evan eleven

    evan eleven Member

    Jun 4, 2009
    California
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    it seems to me 25k should be the minimum and 40k should be the goal.

    to me this sounds like another way of saying "artificially screw your fans out of more money, and leave the poor folks at home."

    and laugh all you want Andy Mead, just know your tiny-ass stadium in Kansas looks pretty quaint to a Sounders fan.
     
  7. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    The more empty seats, the better. It's a sign of ambition.
     
  8. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    The Brazilian league is really ambitious then.
     
  9. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Lessons from RFK Stadium.
     
  10. 30King

    30King Member+

    Jul 22, 2013
    Rocklin, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Evan's finally talked to someone with a clue.

    @Knave you can put the bottle down now :p


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  11. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Oh, no you won't! I'm too dedicated to doom to fall for this sunshine. :unsure:
     
  12. QuietType

    QuietType Member+

    Jun 6, 2009
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Being the "clear front runner for one of the two spots" isn't really anything we don't know... I'd be more excited if he said "will be one of the two spots" ;)
     
  13. 30King

    30King Member+

    Jul 22, 2013
    Rocklin, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I'm pretty sure my birdies are better than his.

    I'll say that :D

    I guarantee nothing- MLS gonna MLS. But if I were a betting man.......
     
  14. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    You're all just peddlers of hope and heartbreak.

    I won't fall it!
     
  15. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    San Diego's lookin a little hectic right now, you guys will be glad to know.
     
  16. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
    I think we just found the SRFC Board Tagline, right here. ^^^
     
  17. fortunesfool223

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Dec 26, 2013
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2567 fortunesfool223, May 26, 2017
    Last edited: May 26, 2017
    We ain't like that here.....can't speak for anyone else, but i think SD would be a great place for a top-tier soccer team. With 5 teams, it would make the "Golden State Cup" that much more worthy. [emoji4] Although I've read several local articles about the stadium/land proposal, and it does seem to be a political mine field right now.

    I'm with Knave. Don't mess with my emotions........
     
  18. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    No, totally. And I think you guys deserve to be in already. But realistically it's not a zero sum game either.

    Anyway I bet Sac is in regardless.
     
  19. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
    So the SD City Council nuked the special election for their plan. Is this a thing?
     
  20. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The mayor is going to veto the council.
     
  21. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
    It was an 8-1 vote. Not privy to how the SD City Charter works, but the phrase "Veto-Proof Majority" springs to mind.

    Anyone out there hip to how this sort of thing works in SD?
     
  22. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Mayor does have veto power but it's subject to a 2/3rd majority override. Question is will the opponents override on second go or were they being symbolic in their first run. As several of the opponents are solid allies of the mayor who may have just been taking a stand for appearances sake.
     
  23. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
    So we'll be depending on politicians to publicly admit that they're lying sacks of crap?

    [​IMG]
     
  24. fortunesfool223

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Dec 26, 2013
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's all about the payoff SS. Those pols will negotiate something for their district (I.e. Buddies) in return for the "yes" vote.
     
  25. 30King

    30King Member+

    Jul 22, 2013
    Rocklin, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
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