Rumour: Club World Cup to Expand? Confederations Cup to End?

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Sep 9, 2016.

  1. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Country:
    Argentina
    Mostly because of its great tradition and it was a venture done outside of FIFA's jurisdiction.

    Some of the great matches that I recommend you watch below.

    Flamengo vs Liverpool 1981
    Penarol vs Aston Villa 1982
    Argentinos Juniors vs Juventus 1985
    Penarol vs Porto 1987
    Nacional vs PSV Eindhoven 1988
    Atletico Nacional vs AC Milan 1989
    Sao Paolo vs Barcelona 1992
    Sao Paolo vs AC Milan 1993
    River Plate vs Juventus 1996
    Boca Juniors vs Real Madrid 2000
     
  2. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Back when South American stars would stay long enough to make a name for themselves before jumping the pond...nowadays you string together a month of good games and Real Madrid's already knocking at your door (see: Vinícius).
     
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  3. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I might check some of those out. I sympathize with the sentiment of staying outside FIFA; however, at least FIFA have the format spot on. In today's world, you have to include the world. Watching Asian, North American, and African teams adds as much pleasure to this competition for me as the South American teams do. The knockout nature means excitement and pressure, and the two games max means the UEFA team stays interested.

    My only complaint is the hosting should be more creative. FIFA should not just go to sponsor-friendly Japan and the Gulf states, they should also go to historic soccer hotspots or give an extra event to help with stadium building for World Cup hosts. Mexico City and Guadalajara , a couple of different Brazilian and South African cities, maybe Miami or New York, maybe even Athens or Instanbul, or Morocco. I'd stay away from countries with major leagues (no English or Spanish cities, you already get to see the best in the world), and in large countries I'd stick to regions and two or three stadiums. I think you get a great atmosphere, and thus a better in TV product, in, say, Cairo, Egypt; or Johannesburg, South Africa. Especially if the tickets are priced affordably (pipe dream, I know).
     
  4. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    Not official yet, don't give me a heart attack just yet, compadre
     
  5. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Country:
    Argentina
    Yeah sorry, got ahead of myself. But I hope it happens.
     
  6. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Country:
    Argentina
    Real Madrid is a team of mercenaries with no identity. The funny thing is they think the South American players give a damn about the club other than the money.
     
  7. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    I have to be fair and admit that this doesn't help:

    In his open letter, outgoing Chile NT coach Pizzi asserted that the WCQ screw-ups in September (0 pts vs. Paraguay and @ Bolivia) were his fault for burning out the A-team at the Confederations Cup.
     
  8. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    It could have been a contributing factor but I think Paraguay and Bolivia would have beaten them anyway.
     
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  9. tudobem62014

    tudobem62014 Member

    Feb 26, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    So sad they won't be there. They been the team to beat the last 3 years at tournaments. Even in 2014, Brazil barely made it out alive ... pks. Plus their fans are imo the best and loudest while still being respectful.
     
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  10. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Country:
    Switzerland
  11. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    According to FIFA their fans have not been as respectful as you depict.
    I would say that is a bigger reason as to why they are not in the World Cup. They had to play qualifiers in a stadium that is not their fortress due to their fan behavior.
     
  12. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    Chile were sanctioned by FIFA to play one home match (against Bolivia on 6 September 2016) away from Estadio Nacional Julio Martínez Prádanos, Santiago due to homophobic chants by the team’s fans, with a possible ban on a second match subject to a probation period of two years.[12] Since Chile committed another infringement during this period, a second match ban on playing at Estadio Nacional Julio Martínez Prádanos will be served (against Venezuela on 28 March 2017).[13] Chile was sanctioned with a ban on playing at Estadio Nacional Julio Martínez Prádanos for two further matches (against Paraguay on 31 August 2017 and against Ecuador on 5 October 2017) after similar incidents.[14]
     
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  13. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Going back on topic, I am trying to figure out if a quadrennial World Cup of Clubs with a bunch of teams would be something people care about.

    Maybe if they held it in the USA instead of the current Summer Champions Cup friendly crap tournament it would gain some traction.
    But it would mostly have to be Euro , Mexican and South American teams participating for them to make the big bucks in the States.
     
  14. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    And since people around here will complain about it being in the USA every four years maybe they should emulate what the International Champions Cup does and have part of the tournament in Asia too.
    (Or whoever else wants to host it.)
     
  15. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    From that article:

    ...so how would expanding the CWC solve that problem? European club football is head and shoulders above the rest of the world and will remain so for the foreseeable future. In essence, the Confederations Cup is far more competitive ("What about Brazilian domination?")...um, more open to non-European winners :D
     
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  16. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    Please breh, don't give any credence to a quadrennial CWC. It would be the worst thing to happen to football, it really would.

    Imagine if the Super Bowl was quadrennial, the 85 Bears would qualify, but they'd have to send the 89 Bears to the SB tourney. The 89 Bears were far inferior to the 85 version, it've been ridiculous and we'd never know if the 85ers would be SB champs.

    09 Barca would have to send 2013 Barca, who were different at that point. It's all bollox.

    #keeptheCWCannual
     
  17. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Well, the thread is about the New Club tournament replacing the Confederations so the way I understood it... ... the Confederations being every four years, this Club tournament would be every for year too right?

    Maybe in addition to the Club World Cups we already have? I have no idea.
     
  18. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Country:
    Switzerland
    This article has more details:
    http://www.espnfc.com/blog/fifa/243...up-could-replace-confederations-cup-infantino

    Infantino talks about a decision in March.
     
  19. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Country:
    Switzerland
    The USA would make a fine host but I would absolutely hate a scenario where there is a permanent host in some ridiculous club version of the Gold Cup. Of course I dislike the idea of a quadrennial Club World Cup as it is.
     
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  20. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    As I alluded to in another post it would probably be best if they regionalize it as they do the Champions Cup. Some Group Stage matches in Asia would be fine. Some in Europe of course (But I am not sure Europeans will care enough to come out and see teams outside their Confederation.)
    Knowing Infantino and how close he is to Gulati I could see them saying it will be in the USA the majority of the time. At least the big knockout stage matches.
     
  21. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    http://www.espnfc.us/fifa-club-worl...24-team-club-world-cup-to-be-played-in-summer says:

    "FIFA is exploring expanding the Club World Cup to 24 teams from June 2021, a member of the ruling council said on Monday.

    The revamped tournament could open with three groups of eight teams and be played over 18 days."

    The article doesn't describe a format, but it would be way too little rest for players to have them play seven group games and knockout rounds for some of them in 18 days. If the three group winners and one more club advanced to the Semifinals, the finalists would play every other day for 18 days.
     
  22. JLSA

    JLSA Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    I know you're quoting but surely that should 8 groups of 3 teams.
    MD1(Day 1-3)-MD2(Day4-6)-MD3(Day7-9)-QF(day11-12)-SF(Day15)-F(Day18)

    Tight schedule still, but possible.

    J
     
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  23. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Germany: The Confederations Cup is clogging up the football calendar, get rid of it!

    FIFA: Sure thing, we'll just replace it with an expanded Club World Cup.

    Germany: Thank - NO! Not like that!
     
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  24. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    So FIFA thinks the CWC hasn't gained much traction because of the time of year? lol

    So FIFA thinks a knockout tournament that couldn't gain much traction will be more successful when a group stage and dead-rubber matches are added? lol
     
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  25. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    FIFA may be crazy but they are not stupid.
    They know that it can gain more traction in the Summer when it applies to their pocket books. During that dead period Television Networks will pay more knowing that it won't conflict with their domestic television products.
     

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