RSL Academy

Discussion in 'Real Salt Lake' started by kirsoccer, Jan 3, 2012.

  1. pate

    pate Member+

    Jun 12, 2007
    Provo, UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not to knock this: https://www.rslsoapbox.com/2018/10/6/17946826/rsl-signs-julian-vazquez-17-homegrown-player-academy (RSL signing an academy player is a very good thing) but I note that Vazquez was not any of the four players highlighted in the article about projected leaders of the academy teams RSL wrote about in August:
    He also has not spent time with the Monarchs that I can see. He did play for the USYNT ... so there is that.
     
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  2. irondeepbicycle

    irondeepbicycle Member+

    Real Salt Lake
    United States
    Jul 31, 2017
    He's got appearances with US and Mexican YNTs. If he pans out there could be a fight over his loyalty.

    It's unfortunate he has no time with the Monarchs so we don't know much about how he plays, but hopefully he'll play there a lot next year.
     
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  3. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ledezma made a few appearances for Real Monarchs this year, but generally there is extremely little integration between USL and DA for RSL. This was expected when the DA operation was in Arizona. Now that they are in Utah, it is quite odd.
     
  4. irondeepbicycle

    irondeepbicycle Member+

    Real Salt Lake
    United States
    Jul 31, 2017
    Alright rubbing salt in this wound again...

    Sebastian Soto has been ripping the German U19 league to pieces, and is leading his particular division in non-PK goals. His last goal was a 40 yard chip when the keeper was off his line.



    He's been so good for Hannover's U19s that he's just been invited up to train with the first team. Here he is making friends with Bobby Wood.



    It's funny that Josh Sargent keeps getting called into the US National Team, but Soto might actually beat him to a first team debut. He's in one of the best youth leagues in the world, and he's dominating.
     
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  5. PattysCow

    PattysCow Member+

    Apr 4, 2010
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    To be fair, Werder Bremen is pretty good this season whereas Soto's first team debut could very well be in the 2. Bundesliga.
     
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  6. irondeepbicycle

    irondeepbicycle Member+

    Real Salt Lake
    United States
    Jul 31, 2017
    Ledezma to PSV is imminent. Looks like he could sign in the next few weeks.

    As pointed out on the Twitter thread, Dutch teams are required to pay non-EU players a really high starting salary, which is a big barrier for most teams. German teams don't have this requirement (one of the reasons so many young Americans have been going to Germany).

    So basically, a club like PSV isn't going to sign Ledezma unless they really, really rate him highly. There's going to be a lot of pressure to push Ledezma through the ranks and get some return on that investment.
     
  7. 15 to 32

    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ROI? What is that?
     
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  8. goobx1

    goobx1 Member+

    Jul 9, 2007
    Salt Lake
    Isn't ROI a hockey goalie?
     
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  9. SenordrummeR2

    SenordrummeR2 Member+

    Jul 21, 2008
    Layton, UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, no, no. ROI is a baseball stat. Right?
     
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  10. irondeepbicycle

    irondeepbicycle Member+

    Real Salt Lake
    United States
    Jul 31, 2017


    If we offer contracts at 15-17, maybe we don't have to compete against offers like this...
     
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  11. kirsoccer

    kirsoccer BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 29, 2007
    #1011 kirsoccer, Dec 15, 2018
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2018
    Ask Jordan Allen about that, or even later round draft picks in MLB. The numbers on the table would need to be hundreds of thousands to offset the loss of potential to play their sport in college. We're still in an environment where players would skip that college option for a shot in Europe, but most would want to keep a college scholarship option open when they're in that 15-17 age range.
     
  12. El-ahrairah

    El-ahrairah Member+

    Sep 20, 2004
    Wanker County
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Return on Idiocracy?
     
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  13. 15 to 32

    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eh, I don't buy that for soccer. For baseball, sure. The path for a kid in the ages of 15-17 that gets a professional contract to the actual top team is riddled with a lot of really poorly ran small market teams. It's not a pretty sight. Not to mention that college baseball, while not anywhere close to basketball or football, is better ran than college soccer.

    I think the real thing holding those kids back from signing a professional contract - if they're smart - is that they limited their college education A TON by doing it. This is why I want this club to get a serious relationship with the U and/or BYU. Have a path figured out for these kids that signing a professional contract still comes with the education that playing in college does.

    In fact, if the league wanted to help its image, this would actually be a great thing to start requiring of the affiliated USL sides. Have a partnership with a respected university in your area to push the education side of things (like they supposedly do in the academy) just as much.
     
  14. kirsoccer

    kirsoccer BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 29, 2007
    That was exactly the Jordan Allen situation that I was referring to. He wouldn't sign a contract because he valued the college scholarship he received more than the contract offered. Happens all the time with MLB players as well. I know a kid who was given a scholarship at the U that turned down a 1/2 mill signing bonus from the Cubs because in his mind that didn't cover the scholarship and the 4-years he'd have to give up to accept it.
     
  15. irondeepbicycle

    irondeepbicycle Member+

    Real Salt Lake
    United States
    Jul 31, 2017
    Allen only spent 1 semester at UVA, and signed a contract for ~80K with us afterwards. Glad turned down a scholarship to Stanford for a contract near the league minimum. Plus, Seattle has about 12 guys on their USL roster who threw away scholarships without having a promise of an MLS contract at all.

    And BTW, Allen and Glad are both taking college courses right now. We can offer college stipends as compensation if we want to (LA does this).

    Also, 15's point about college baseball being better run than college soccer is key. There is increasingly almost no path to MLS through the NCAA - last year's number 1 pick just got traded for peanuts, and most 1st round picks this past year were depth players at best. The calculus changes for players if taking the scholarship means throwing away their entire soccer career.
     
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  16. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Our owner has shown himself creative in regards to compensation with the Royals (apartments, loaner cars) and I imagine this sort of college path would be huge to recruit talent to the Royals in particular. @BlueCrimson do you know ifthere are rules against it, or wider things regarding types of compensation "counting" against the cap?
     
  17. Taragui

    Taragui Member+

    Aug 13, 2006
    Northern Utah
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Good thing nobody's asking them to do calculus, especially with no math or engineering degree. :p
     
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  18. kirsoccer

    kirsoccer BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 29, 2007

    This is great...except if you were to have interviewed Jordan Allen when he was 16 or 17, which I did, and which is the EXACT scenario we were talking about, you would have found that when he was a year or two away from college age both he and his parents valued a college education at several hundred thou. At that time he was being offered an MLS contract reportedly in the $60K-80K range. My research at the time showed this was a common thing among MLS academy players, and if you read around you'll find it's still the case.

    Obviously after Jordan spent some time in college, and receiving another offer, he changed course. But the original post was about locking kids up early with pro contracts, and I can tell you that's not easy to get a 15-17 yo kid to make that decision unless crazy money is on the table. Once reality sets in and kids graduate high school or spend a year or two in college, it's a whole different story.

    I think the sentiment of signing kids in soccer to youth pro contracts is great from a team investment standpoint, but its very challenging in the US for a vast many reasons which have been written about ad nauseum. There are many legal, practical, and societal barriers to making this happen on a more consistent basis.
     
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  19. BlueCrimson

    BlueCrimson Member+

    North Carolina Courage
    United States
    Nov 21, 2012
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apologies for the delay in responding. Real life got in the way.

    There is a cap on what teams can spend for things like housing. The numbers for 2019 were leaked this morning:

    Team salary cap: 421,500
    Minimum salary: 16,538
    Maximum salary: 46,200
    Team housing/auto cap: 95,000
    Team relocation cap: 11,000
     
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  20. El-ahrairah

    El-ahrairah Member+

    Sep 20, 2004
    Wanker County
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yeah, those numbers need to go up a lot.
     
  21. 15 to 32

    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    wait, the team, as a whole, has a housing cap of 95K and a relocation cap of 11k?! FOR THE TEAM!?
     
  22. El-ahrairah

    El-ahrairah Member+

    Sep 20, 2004
    Wanker County
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a housing/auto cap of 95k. Even worse.
     
  23. 15 to 32

    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    how.... how did DLH get away with buying all those cars?
     
  24. El-ahrairah

    El-ahrairah Member+

    Sep 20, 2004
    Wanker County
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll bet he did something where they were company cars and each player got to drive one. I don't know if that is bending the rules or what, but that's probably the only way to do it, unless he owns a car rental company or something.

    I actually did the same sort of thing when I lived long-term an unnamed European country (that most Americans have never visited). The guy that I "rented" my car from put my name on his company's car insurance policy and then I paid him each month for the car rental and in case you can't figure it out, it wasn't totally legal. But, it was cheaper than a normal monthly car rental and when the car required maintenance, he had another car waiting for me. He just told me if the cops stopped me, I was to tell them that I was driving the car because I was thinking about buying it. Unfortunately, when I was actually stopped by a cop for speeding, he didn't believe my story, but he let me go after telling me that the "fine" was a certain sum of money that I just happened to have in my wallet. Lucky me. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
     
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  25. SenordrummeR2

    SenordrummeR2 Member+

    Jul 21, 2008
    Layton, UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He didn't buy a car for each player. It was closer to a car for every 2-4 players. They were expected to carpool. And I'm betting they were severely discounted as part of a sponsorship deal.
     
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