Riding the Ceballos Train to Cibeles - The Dani Ceballos Thread

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  1. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
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    Except that Asensio performed worse and was given ten times more chances
     
  2. fierro

    fierro BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
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    Real Madrid
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    United States

    Lol. Wtf. Haha.

    Sounding like a Cule describing Ronaldo.

    "People think because he scores so many goals and wins so many awards he is the best player but he looks better than he truly is."
     
  3. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    I don't know what's so funny about that.

    For example, Di Maria looked a lot better as a midfielder than he truly was because he was running around chasing his tail, but in reality, he was actually leaving us vulnerable at the back.
     
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  4. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
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    New York Cosmos
    When an attacking mid makes a run towards goal the other mids are supposed to cover.
    That’s just how it is..
     
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  5. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    It has nothing to do with a run "towards" goal. He was chasing the ball when it was with the other team all over the pitch, all the way back to the GK at times. That's idiotic, because a few passes out, and now you're exposed, everyone around you has to now extend themselves to cover the spaces you left behind you.

    Di Maria is a wonderful player, but he's not a CM. And he is the prime case of someone looking better than he was. Players that tend to chase around the ball get praise for having a high work rate, but in a lot of cases, they're chasing around because they lack positional understanding of their position or they're losing the ball in the first place and are chasing after it.
     
  6. hala_madrid722

    hala_madrid722 Member+

    Jan 10, 2013
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    Real Madrid
    I agree with a lot of what you say but Di Maria was pretty amazing at CM the second half of La Decima season, one of our most important players at that time.

    Generally he’s not a great CM though, he’s a winger...
     
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  7. Eddie

    Eddie Member+

    Oct 19, 2005
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    Real Madrid
    He wasn't amazing. He ran a lot but he often went on these headless runs that left our entire midfield exposed and the better teams took advantage of that. IIRC Xavi made him and us look like a fool in Bernabeu because of that.
     
  8. hala_madrid722

    hala_madrid722 Member+

    Jan 10, 2013
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    You are wrong. We won the champions league that season & he had a big impact on that. Especially in the final. So it looks like his headless runs helped out when it counted most.
     
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  9. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    I like how nobody can discuss a player without running towards another player as a crutch.

    Ceballos has his moments but plays in a position where reliability and concentration are key factors. That's not saying he won't get there at some point but he's not there right now and his competition is better than him.

    Asensio’s good or bad seasons don't make Ceballos better or worse.
     
  10. RMNYC

    RMNYC Member

    Real Madrid
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    Jan 19, 2019
  11. janos audron

    janos audron Member+

    Apr 12, 2010
    Zizu is not impressed.:sneaky:

    p.s: That is Alba textbook run. After years of the same runs, it would be expected that RB covers that shit. But it seems not.
     
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  12. temesgen

    temesgen Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    if our FBs sat a little deeper, waited a bit and made that sort of late run, instead of poaching around the corner flag, I'd be much happier
     
  13. Hsain85

    Hsain85 Member+

    Mar 28, 2006
    Bahrain
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    Real Madrid
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    Brazil
    It’s the job of the coach to give such instructions.
     
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  14. HZinho

    HZinho Member+

    Apr 2, 2013
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    Real Madrid
    That is also something that Odriozola should 10/10 times. He'd be much better. You rarely see Alba run with the ball (he knows he's limited on the ball), mostly off the ball. Odriozola on the other hand seems to think he can play football and dribble his way to the corner flag almost constantly, very average stuff. That's why I can't wait for Hakimi to come back, will easily 'win' back that RB spot.

    Also, the reason Alba is effective with that run is because he knows when to start and because it's simply incredibly difficult to defend.
     
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  15. janos audron

    janos audron Member+

    Apr 12, 2010
    This is what i have been saying for ages. We don`t overlap per se. We just camp at wide position in final third. The end result either back-pass to widely positioned CM playing as fullback or making a cross.
     
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  16. janos audron

    janos audron Member+

    Apr 12, 2010
    Two issues with this. Odrizola is not the brightest bulb and secondly it comes down to tactics from coaching staff. It seems ours is insisting on wide and high positioning from the start in final third. The end result being, you are static and lack space and spots to exploit. Basically we are playing "handball" tactics.
     
  17. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    So far it seems that he lost his spot at Dortmund.
     
  18. HZinho

    HZinho Member+

    Apr 2, 2013
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    He's still better than Odriozola, so he can slot right in as a back-up to our starter, Carvajal.
     
  19. Hsain85

    Hsain85 Member+

    Mar 28, 2006
    Bahrain
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    Real Madrid
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    Brazil
    I don’t understand how Carvajal lost his brilliant attacking game, and became so damn confused defensively!
    They guy who once suffocated prime Ribery became a shadow of himself.
    Just like Mendy, we need a starting material RB next summer. I don’t see Hakimi as such TBH.
     
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  20. Doni

    Doni Member+

    Dec 4, 2010
    London
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    Real Madrid
    Im hoping Odriozola steps up this year. That RB position should really be very well covered for us but neither option is performing.
     
  21. Digital

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    Dec 10, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    Gotta say I disagree here, I find most of the time Odriozola is out there on the right mostly playing on his own, nobody coming to swap passes and combine with him IMO, I also find particularly when he is playing a lot of his runs are ignored, on the other hand the main complaint is that all Madrid does when attacking is get the ball out wide and cross cross cross, so........... one or the other really, what happened there isn’t anything I haven't seen us do, luckily someone was in the middle to finish the move off, often, our striker is out there with the fullback
     
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  22. Drouchk

    Drouchk Member+

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Aug 9, 2018
    I have a feeling that Carva will step up his game now that he’s lost his starting status with Spain.
     
  23. temesgen

    temesgen Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    It's the timing of the run, we're out wide and up further than the rest of team doing nothing of value. But I agree our CF is out there posting up on flag too or in midfield. Our tactics are absolute crap and it transcends coaches, this is what these guys want to do.
     
  24. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    We need some of these players to find their form again. We can't keep buying the same position expecting a worldbeater and getting disappointed.
     
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  25. MiamiNative0722

    MiamiNative0722 Member+

    May 25, 2013
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    Real Madrid
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    United States


    Lots of praise for Arsenal in this article.

    I’m glad he’s doing well and it’s clear he’s going to get the minutes he needs to continue developing.

    I hope he still has his mind on returning. There’s going to be space in this midfield for him in a year’s time
     
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