Revs Roster Thread, 2019 Season

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  1. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
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    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  2. NFLPatriot

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    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    Still not worth it.
     
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  3. a517dogg

    a517dogg Member+

    Oct 30, 2005
    Rochester, NY
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    Honestly I still don't understand why, the past 4 offseasons, they haven't brought in 4 USL centerbacks and signed the best two.
     
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  4. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is kinda what they do, whenever they pick up discards from other teams. Look at Anibaba, he was a journeyman at best. While he hasn't been totally horrible, he's not at the level of someone you'd bring in from a foreign league and pay a transfer fee for.

    They do bring it guys who can be serviceable, but really, we need more than that. The USL/MLS journeymen should be reserves, not starters and certainly not the guys we depend on to win games.
     
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  5. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
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    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Using the “sign two journeymen” approach would have a very different vibe if the money saved were going toward attacking talent up front. Because if we had a transfer fee striker eating up Mancienne’s salary and scoring goals instead of Teal and Juan headlessly chickening, it might not matter so much that our defenders were serviceable at best.
     
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  6. A Casual Fan

    A Casual Fan Member+

    Mar 22, 2000
    Ha ha, This quote could be about just about anyone - Mancienne, Dielna, Delemea, Anibaba, Somi...

    Stepping back to the big picture - there's a part of this whole equation that has to do with the price the Revs (as opposed to other MLS teams) need to pay to get any particular player to join the team. I suspect the Revs are often needing to pay at a level for which other teams are able to obtain greater talent for the same level of spend.

    So - players for whom there never should have been great expectations are finding themselves saddled with such - solely because they were shrewd enough to negotiate and extract a "big" salary (maximized relative to the player's status) from the Revs; not because they were a rare talent who commanded top dollar.

    In reality, a number of these players should have been thought of only as fair-to-average MLS players. And, suprisingly(!), they are just that...​

    That's not the only part of it - there is also legit question as to the talent evaluation and decision making process as well, regardless of the "overpaying" question. After all, there have been a few players signed for decent salary who then fell out of favor, some rotting outside the core 18 man roster. They didn't end up on that list because of their salary - they ended up there because the coach didn't see them fitting into system du jour.

    But because the Revs are ALSO finding themselves needing to overpay, the high-salary-stuck-firmly-on-the-bench optics are exacerbated by the relatively exorbitant amount of salary tied up in unused players.

    It's the glaring contrast that is the issue for the Revs - their "rotting" or discarded players are in some cases recent high-dollar signings whose signings and salary levels only recently reported by media are still fresh in everyone's minds. ​
     
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  7. NFLPatriot

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    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
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    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sadly, this approach actually could work if they just had a coach capable of developing the talent to a level that matched their salary.

    To be fair, Dielna isn't doing any better in Portland than he did here.
     
  8. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
  9. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
  10. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    Andy Carroll has undergone ankle surgery. The news of his surgery comes as the injury-plagued striker...

    :(
     
  11. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    Him on turf ... seems like a huge, huge risk.
     
  12. Argyle

    Argyle Member

    Jan 31, 2002
    Plymouth, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Revs fans: WE WANT A BIG NAME DP!
    Revs fans (after hearing about a possible signing) NOT THAT ONE!
     
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  13. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn’t mind us signing Carroll if he was one of two incoming DPs. But if he’s the only one we’re getting, that’s an awfully big gamble. It puts me in mind of Joe-Max 2.0 or late career TT.
     
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  14. patfan1

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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    Saying that signing him is a gamble is the same as saying the sky is blue. A guy with an injury history playing on turf is a scary proposition.
     
  15. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    so he will just play on the road on grass fields like Zlatan! :rolleyes:
     
  16. Mike Marshall

    Mike Marshall Member+

    Feb 16, 2000
    Woburn, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm usually a wait-and-see kind of guy when it comes to new players, but signing Andy Carroll is an unfathomably horrific idea.
     
  17. A Casual Fan

    A Casual Fan Member+

    Mar 22, 2000
    Interesting dive into Carroll's style, fit into different systems, and recent stats.
     
  18. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    Story now on mlssoccer.com

    And the comments section is just brutal.

    He JUST had season ending ankle surgery. JUST.
     
  19. A Casual Fan

    A Casual Fan Member+

    Mar 22, 2000
    It is the Patriot Way (comb through the Island of Misfit Toys, find still-useful but no longer loved toys, for free)....

    ...except that the Revs will pay in a very Revsy way for his services. Despite him being an oft-broken toy.
     
  20. A Casual Fan

    A Casual Fan Member+

    Mar 22, 2000
    That being said, he was a "player" in the past. Andy Carroll of 5 years ago would make hay in the box on aerial duels.
     
  21. Revs09

    Revs09 Member

    Jul 31, 1999
    I still think the mystery player is Lewis Holtby. Played with Friedel at Tottenham, Hamburg is in a promotion battle, and he’s on the last year of his contract and the team announced recently he is not coming back.

    Checks all the boxes as Kraft is most likely not paying a big transfer fee.
     
  22. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  23. a517dogg

    a517dogg Member+

    Oct 30, 2005
    Rochester, NY
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    New England Revolution
    Lewis Holtby would be a fantastic signing. Like a Carles Gil clone. Watching the two of them play together would be so fun.

    And who won't want to see this?

     
  24. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
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    He's listed as an attacking mid. Can you comment on his game/position?
     
  25. Revs In First :)

    Aug 15, 2001
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe it, too. They are usually so tight lipped on everything, so for them to come out and say something publicly probably is a strong indication that Carroll is not their man.
     

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